Author Topic: Does the Madeleine Fund have a moral obligation to transparency?  (Read 54944 times)

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Offline Eleanor

Re: Does the Madeleine Fund have a moral obligation to transparency?
« Reply #90 on: July 26, 2015, 12:11:51 PM »
so you feel that the fund should have an extra layer of admin to deal with complaints...I'm sure they would need a massive team to deal numerous vexatious requests from Bennett and co....then you would be complaining about staff costs. it seems there are no concerns re the fund apart from a few vexatious individuals who having failed to find any real evidence against the mccanns wish to find any which way they can to harass and criticise them online

Bennett has deliberately submitted and encouraged others to submit numerous vexatious requests in an attempt to drain The Fund.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Does the Madeleine Fund have a moral obligation to transparency?
« Reply #91 on: July 26, 2015, 12:35:21 PM »
I know that I have.  But then I have a logical mind.  If there was anything worth seriously doubting then I would have found it.

Or just ignored it ?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Does the Madeleine Fund have a moral obligation to transparency?
« Reply #92 on: July 26, 2015, 12:43:16 PM »
Or just ignored it ?

you can't seem to understand how someone can look at the evidence...assess it and come to a different conclusion to you..we have

stephen25000

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Re: Does the Madeleine Fund have a moral obligation to transparency?
« Reply #93 on: July 26, 2015, 12:54:00 PM »
That's what IMO stands for

Why, I never knew that either. 8)--)) 8)--))

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Does the Madeleine Fund have a moral obligation to transparency?
« Reply #94 on: July 26, 2015, 02:48:07 PM »
I didn't claim that I could telephone them, you invented that bit. The link you provided had details of how to complain/ask questions. There is a clear process laid down. The process includes what the next step is if you still aren't satisfied. The Madeleine Fund has no such instructions, no such process, and no record of even replying to questions let alone answering them. I have nothing to prove, it's the Fund which lacks proof of it's declaration being fulfilled.
What questions do you have for the Madeleine Fund then?  Do you think these same questions could be asked of other "transparent and accountable" organisations and a fully transparent reply given?  It would seem from what you have said re the NSPCC that you do believe this to be the case.  So, how about a list of unanswered questions for the Madeleine Fund, detailing also why you feel it is morally imperative for the general public to know the answers to the questions you have posed.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Does the Madeleine Fund have a moral obligation to transparency?
« Reply #95 on: July 26, 2015, 03:00:24 PM »
What questions do you have for the Madeleine Fund then?  Do you think these same questions could be asked of other "transparent and accountable" organisations and a fully transparent reply given?  It would seem from what you have said re the NSPCC that you do believe this to be the case.  So, how about a list of unanswered questions for the Madeleine Fund, detailing also why you feel it is morally imperative for the general public to know the answers to the questions you have posed.

I don't have any questions for the Fund Alf. I asked if the Fund had a moral obligation to be transparent as they promised. Promises impose a moral obligation imo so the answer is yes. I don't consider a company to be transparent if they say they have appointed a fund manager but refuse to disclose their name. There is also evidence that there are no employees, so we can only assume the position is unpaid. Having to make assumptions makes a mockery of the idea of transparency.
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Offline faithlilly

Re: Does the Madeleine Fund have a moral obligation to transparency?
« Reply #96 on: July 26, 2015, 03:44:19 PM »
At the beginning of the case I most certainly looked at the case objectively but at this junction I think anyone who is still interested would be lying if they claimed to be looking at the facts in that way.
« Last Edit: July 26, 2015, 04:08:16 PM by Angelo222 »
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Angelo222

Re: Does the Madeleine Fund have a moral obligation to transparency?
« Reply #97 on: July 26, 2015, 03:49:19 PM »
Unbelievable isnt it making millions out of a disappearance of a child, how strange and unprecedented

My thoughts precisely especially when it was raised on a false premise.
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Alfred R Jones

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Re: Does the Madeleine Fund have a moral obligation to transparency?
« Reply #98 on: July 26, 2015, 03:55:29 PM »
I don't have any questions for the Fund Alf. I asked if the Fund had a moral obligation to be transparent as they promised. Promises impose a moral obligation imo so the answer is yes. I don't consider a company to be transparent if they say they have appointed a fund manager but refuse to disclose their name. There is also evidence that there are no employees, so we can only assume the position is unpaid. Having to make assumptions makes a mockery of the idea of transparency.
The Fund is as transparent as the NSPCC (who also promise transparency and accountability), certainly as far as the accounts are concerned, from what I can see by comparing the two.

Have you a cite for the MF's refusal to name a fund manager please? 

Offline Angelo222

Re: Does the Madeleine Fund have a moral obligation to transparency?
« Reply #99 on: July 26, 2015, 03:57:06 PM »
I disagree Angelo,    we don't know if people are ringing the person/s involved in taking queries with regard to Madeleine,   eg sightings,    so we don't know if the search is ongoing with the fund money.

As to the McCann's suing,  well the fund is there to help them financially too,   they have sued when lies have been printed in papers and when Amaral wrote his book claiming Madeleine is dead.

I don't have any objection for the fund to be used in the way the McCann's have used it,   every thing they have done has been to stop any lies or misinformation getting out which would jeopordise the search for Madeliene.

There is no searching going on.  The McCanns take every opportunity to ask the public to search but don't do it themselves.

As far as suing for libel and telling lies is concerned it has not been established who told lies and who told the truth. The jury is still out on that one.
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Does the Madeleine Fund have a moral obligation to transparency?
« Reply #100 on: July 26, 2015, 04:01:48 PM »
In what sense is "The Fund" a fund ?
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Offline Angelo222

Re: Does the Madeleine Fund have a moral obligation to transparency?
« Reply #101 on: July 26, 2015, 04:10:36 PM »
Alfie

Who do you think pays the legal bills in Portugal, the travel expenses, the hotels and for witnesses to attend trials?  Are you trying to infer G McCann pays all of it out of a consultants salary?
« Last Edit: July 26, 2015, 04:13:29 PM by Angelo222 »
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Does the Madeleine Fund have a moral obligation to transparency?
« Reply #102 on: July 26, 2015, 04:11:04 PM »
The Fund is as transparent as the NSPCC (who also promise transparency and accountability), certainly as far as the accounts are concerned, from what I can see by comparing the two.

Have you a cite for the MF's refusal to name a fund manager please?

Really? Please tell me then how much of the Fund's income came from donations and how much of it came from other sources. The NSPCC breaks it's income down into four categories; Donations, Gifts and Legacies 84.3%; Fundraising and Sale of Goods 5.7%; Investment Income 1.8% and Income from Charitable Activities 8.2%.
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Offline Lace

Re: Does the Madeleine Fund have a moral obligation to transparency?
« Reply #103 on: July 26, 2015, 04:11:30 PM »
There is no searching going on.  The McCanns take every opportunity to ask the public to search but don't do it themselves.

As far as suing for libel and telling lies is concerned it has not been established who told lies and who told the truth. The jury is still out on that one.

The McCann's use the only way to 'search' for Madeleine as no one knows where she could be,   they ask that people keep a look out when

 they go on holiday.    How do you know they don't search for Madeleine when they go on holiday Angelo?

There were lies told when the Portuguese police said there was 100% DNA of Madeleine found in 5a.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Does the Madeleine Fund have a moral obligation to transparency?
« Reply #104 on: July 26, 2015, 04:16:37 PM »
Who do you think pays the legal bills, the travel expenses, the hotels and for witnesses to attend trials?

I was thinking more in terms of: "is it a fund that is invested to give a decent level of interest or is it just a big bank account"?
Looking at the interest accrued according to the filed accounts one could be forgiven for thinking the latter or maybe simply a conduit for money pass along.
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