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Offline Brietta

Re: SY Crimewatch Smithman Efits
« Reply #75 on: September 25, 2015, 12:27:49 AM »
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/POWERPOINT.htm

All your answers here, Gerry McCann to the police, JT was not happy wth the face with a nose even though she later said she never saw a face, so Meliss blanked the nose

I knew Jane did not see the man's features which is why she could provide no details to enable a sketch. There was also some confusion regarding the torso in the sketch with some thinking it showed a pink blanket; but again that was vague because Jane's description was vague.  It was the 'frill' or the 'cuff' on the pyjama bottoms which was the issue.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline pegasus

Re: SY Crimewatch Smithman Efits
« Reply #76 on: September 25, 2015, 12:49:03 AM »
I knew Jane did not see the man's features which is why she could provide no details to enable a sketch. There was also some confusion regarding the torso in the sketch with some thinking it showed a pink blanket; but again that was vague because Jane's description was vague.  It was the 'frill' or the 'cuff' on the pyjama bottoms which was the issue.
She actually described turn-ups (see statements) and that matches the bands on SY crecheman daughter clothing which look like turn-ups. A completely honest witness IMO.

Offline mercury

Re: SY Crimewatch Smithman Efits
« Reply #77 on: September 25, 2015, 01:45:32 AM »
I knew Jane did not see the man's features which is why she could provide no details to enable a sketch. There was also some confusion regarding the torso in the sketch with some thinking it showed a pink blanket; but again that was vague because Jane's description was vague.  It was the 'frill' or the 'cuff' on the pyjama bottoms which was the issue.
Did yu also h know Gerry said Jane thought teethey man was an 80 percent match to her nose less man
« Last Edit: July 12, 2016, 10:16:47 PM by John »

Offline Lace

Re: SY Crimewatch Smithman Efits
« Reply #78 on: September 25, 2015, 08:15:40 AM »
The child seen by JT had long pyjama legs with bands at the leg ends that look like turn-ups (completely different to the missing child's pyjamas with short legs and no bands/turn-ups).

The child seen by the irish group had long sleeves (completely different to the missing child's very short sleeves).

In neither sighting did the child clothes match the missing girl's clothes.

If Smith man had his arm around the child,   I can't see how the witness saw long sleeves,   probably saw the top of the pyjama sleeve and presumed they were long.

Jane said she thought the pyjama's had turn ups,   but they were frilly bits on the end of the legs,  which to her looked like turn ups.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: SY Crimewatch Smithman Efits
« Reply #79 on: September 25, 2015, 09:59:29 AM »
If Smith man had his arm around the child,   I can't see how the witness saw long sleeves,   probably saw the top of the pyjama sleeve and presumed they were long.

Jane said she thought the pyjama's had turn ups,   but they were frilly bits on the end of the legs,  which to her looked like turn ups.

"Her arms were suspended along her body and were not around the individual's neck."

Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: SY Crimewatch Smithman Efits
« Reply #80 on: September 25, 2015, 03:38:18 PM »
"Her arms were suspended along her body and were not around the individual's neck."
Correct. What is your opinion of the long sleeves Pathfinder?

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: SY Crimewatch Smithman Efits
« Reply #81 on: September 27, 2015, 09:37:53 PM »
Wiki

"Electronic Facial Identification Technique (E-FIT, e-fit, efit) is a computer-based method of producing facial composites of wanted criminals, based on eyewitness descriptions.

Uses[edit]

Customers for this system exist in over 30 countries around the whole world. These include New Scotland Yard, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF), New York Police Department, the Royal Stockholm Police, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and the Jamaica Constabulary Force.

E-FIT is used both for minor and serious crimes. In the United Kingdom, it is an ever-present feature on the BBC's Crimewatch television programme. The system is available in Spanish, German, English (both US and UK), French, Italian, Portuguese and Swedish.

The system first appeared in the late 1980s, programmed by John Platten and has since been progressively refined by Platten and latterly by Dr Matthew Maylin. E-FIT has developed a reputation as a highly reliable and flexible system for feature-based composite construction.

The widespread use of the original E-FIT approach is gradually being superseded by a new version of the program called EFIT-V. EFIT-V is a full-colour, hybrid system that offers increased flexibility and speed, allowing the face to be constructed using both evolutionary and systematic construction techniques.

Research[edit]

The E-FIT and Pro-fit systems used in the UK have been subjected to a number of formal academic examinations. In these studies, composites were correctly named,[clarification needed] either immediately or a few hours after construction, approximately 20% of the time.[1][2][3] In one study in which witnesses were required to wait two days before constructing a composite, which matches real use more closely, naming rates fell to only a few percent.[4]

See also[edit]
Photofit
Facial composite"

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Offline faithlilly

Re: SY Crimewatch Smithman Efits
« Reply #82 on: June 28, 2016, 12:10:07 PM »
If they were legitimately trying to find their daughter why not follow the Smithman lead more closely? Their own PI's believed he was a strong lead. In fact they thought he was such a strong lead that they had efits produced but the McCanns, perversely, threw limited funds at the sighting by an individual who their own PIs thought lacked credibility. Does that sound like a couple desperate to find their daughter.

Further, once the efits were produced the couple, who had staged a televised press conference to publicise the efit of an individual seen several weeks before the McCanns even arrived in PDL, uttered not a word about a sighting on the very night of Madeleine's disappreance and only moments from the apartment, a sighting they themselves had produced an efit from.

Further when, arguably, the best police force in the world agreed with the McCanns own PIs that the most important single piece of information provided to the investigation was the Smith sighting what did they McCanns do? All but ignored it.

Now does that sound like a couple desperate to find their daughter?
« Last Edit: July 12, 2016, 10:01:40 PM by John »
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Alfie

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Re: SY Crimewatch Smithman Efits
« Reply #83 on: June 29, 2016, 09:34:35 AM »
I would imagine (but don't know) that the reason the McCanns were sceptical about the Smiths evidence is that one of them told the police he was 60-80% certain it was Gerry!  I don't know about you, but if a witness was certain they saw me committing a heinous act and I knew it couldn't have been me then I might regard their evidence as somewhat inaccurate or unreliable.
« Last Edit: July 12, 2016, 10:09:44 PM by John »

Offline faithlilly

Re: SY Crimewatch Smithman Efits
« Reply #84 on: June 29, 2016, 11:02:57 AM »
I would imagine (but don't know) that the reason the McCanns were sceptical about the Smiths evidence is that one of them told the police he was 60-80% certain it was Gerry!  I don't know about you, but if a witness was certain they saw me committing a heinous act and I knew it couldn't have been me then I might regard their evidence as somewhat inaccurate or unreliable. 

I believe the efits were produced after it became known that Martin Smith and his wife had claimed that the man they saw could have been Gerry so why have them produced, at great cost I would assume, if you believed the Smith's recollection was unreliable?
« Last Edit: July 12, 2016, 10:11:06 PM by John »
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Alfie

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Re: SY Crimewatch Smithman Efits
« Reply #85 on: June 29, 2016, 11:22:27 AM »
I believe the efits were produced after it became known that Martin Smith and his wife had claimed that the man they saw could have been Gerry so why have them produced, at great cost I would assume, if you believed the Smith's recollection was unreliable?
Conversely, why would you have e-fits produced at great expense of YOURSELF?

Offline pathfinder73

Re: SY Crimewatch Smithman Efits
« Reply #86 on: July 10, 2016, 10:44:42 AM »
And is this the last line of inquiry for SY? "Officers predict a long hard slog in their effort to solve the mystery of Madeleine McCann's disappearance."


Scotland Yard boss Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe said investigators are following one remaining line of inquiry.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: SY Crimewatch Smithman Efits
« Reply #87 on: July 10, 2016, 11:15:50 AM »
And is this the last line of inquiry for SY? "Officers predict a long hard slog in their effort to solve the mystery of Madeleine McCann's disappearance."


Scotland Yard boss Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe said investigators are following one remaining line of inquiry.

That pic looks like a few people...
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline mercury

Re: SY Crimewatch Smithman Efits
« Reply #88 on: July 11, 2016, 12:54:48 AM »
Cant wait for  SYs news if they ever do announce anything

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: SY Crimewatch Smithman Efits
« Reply #89 on: July 11, 2016, 02:59:35 PM »
Cant wait for  SYs news if they ever do announce anything

Yes me too and many other Merc!  I do think they will have to say something. I hope they just don't leave us with what they 'think' happened.
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin