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Offline Rusty

Re: Luke Mitchell - Interview with Sky's James Matthews
« Reply #285 on: September 10, 2021, 06:04:34 PM »
Rather than start a new thread, I’ll digress a little and leave this here:

 I was curious to know what people on here thought of Luke’s chances of getting released in 2023? Given the barbaric nature of the crime and his entrenched denial, do you think these factors render his chances extremely slim? Even if he did admit to it, would it make any difference to his chances of release in 2023? Will he ever get released? I wonder how many risk assessments he’s had by the authorities and what the results were? High risk offender? I sometimes wonder if his denial was/is an attempt to make his prison life more bearable (I have a hunch he’s in segregation and often an easy target for other inmates).

I believe the type of mind, that it takes to commit such a barbaric ritual killing in a modern society. Cannot be healed. And should never be released. He is a sociopath, another disease of the mind that cannot be healed. He continues to try to control the narrative from his segregation cell, using the source we all know about, to spread the misinformation. Furthermore, he continues to torment the Jones family. He has a small but loud following, doing his dirty work, threats, vandalism, and just general toxic behaviour. Lots of it directed towards the Jones and others. I'm under no illusion that he would remain a threat to society, especially females.

Offline Parky41

Re: Luke Mitchell - Interview with Sky's James Matthews
« Reply #286 on: September 10, 2021, 07:31:36 PM »
Where do you get all your facts from, Parky? 

Just interested to know, since I don't know of anyone other than  SL  who has researched the case in detail.

Surprised somewhat at the question as most comes from the book, from Lean over time where the logs etc are concerned. As stated repeatedly around the search trio - It has always been that they arrived at that the V, not a foot past it. And not from the first account onwards has it been different. It was only ever Mitchell who stated they did. And I have discussed this directly with SL, and her proof as always is around the dog. Of Kelly and the "dogs head being level with the V" - That is not proof of Mitchells account or actions, not even close to it. And it is an accumulation of events not just a dog at the V.

And my repetition of being easily led and blind faith stands - You, nor anyone else have ever been shown any proof of those changes,  that come close to agreeing with Mitchell and changing their minds. The evidence led, the reason for that wall and the jury being taken to RDP, was to show them one thing clearly. That Mitchel and his dog did not go past the V. That he turned immediately to his left when he went over. That he had barely had time to walk ten steps when he shouted out. That he did not, when Kelly or AW go over, even walk around 10 steps to show them. That he did describe what was impossible to do. Kelly had to walk around 20 feet to see.

And it has always been the case, that these areas of statements, in sequence could always have been shown, to back up these nonsense claims of agreeing with Mitchell. They have not been and will not be shown, for they do not. The only thing DF could do at trial, was attempt the same where the dog was concerned. What he did not do and could not do, was take anyone of that search party, passed the V. He was furious at the evidence of the map Mitchell drew to the FLO.

So it was never about the dog, or Kelly forgetting (claimed) that it was standing at the V. It was always about Mitchells claims of going past that V. with his dog, THEN the dog reacting. It did not happen. There was nothing other than special knowledge for his actions. Every one of them.

And that time line can not be changed - that clear sequence of phone logs which back up the statements. And Mitchel in less than 10mins was ready and on that path in comparison to the search trio. 35mins it took to get ready and be on that path. And they did arrive at the junctions until around 11.20pm and they did see Mitchel and they walked to meet with him, in the top half of that path. And the time was approx 11.23 when they set off down together. I will work backwards here for you:

11.34pm call to 999, and AW and JaJ can be heard screaming in that call. It was made whilst AW was with her granddaughter. Work those 40ft or so back to the V, to being helped over. To Kelly and his 20ft and back and it brings you to Mitchell and just after 11.30 when he went over and walked his ten ft or so inline with JaJ and Kelly. And we work back our 6-7 mins from here to that meet and start of the walk down at around 11.23pm. And back from this to the search trio leaving AW's after that call at 11.03pm. To JF saying it was "around 11pm" he saw them leaving. YW stayed in a top flat overlooking, down the St to her Grandmothers house.

The pages of waffle set to confuse are for just that reason - to deflect away from Mitchell. The total time for walking the full length of RDP was timed at just over 11mins. He was on that path twice that time, by is own claims. And he was prepped and ready for the off. Ms Lean claims he "grabbed the torch and dog and left" - Not what Mitchell said though, is it? And not what Lean has shown before on forums. That he went upstairs and asked his brother for the torch, that SM came down and located said torch, the debate with his mother, then left.

So the waffle - not one bit of it makes any difference to Mitchells actions and to what took place from 10.38pm. And there is not one single piece of evidence other that waffle to put that search trio, anywhere other than AW's at 11.03pm. There is no multiple IF's around if they had arrived this time or that time - they arrived at that path when they did. It is Mitchell that does not fit into any rational. Plain and simple, attempting to tie him in with the search trio, does not work. You can not change the evidence.

So I studied the book, the forums - was part and still part of a group, two of whom attended the trial. The one area I studied was reason as to why suspicion fell upon Mitchell. - there was no tunnel vision.

Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell - Interview with Sky's James Matthews
« Reply #287 on: September 10, 2021, 09:46:34 PM »
He was furious at the evidence of the map Mitchell drew to the FLO.

What was it Corinne Mitchell said about DF?
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell - Interview with Sky's James Matthews
« Reply #288 on: September 10, 2021, 09:47:39 PM »
Each and every time killer Luke Mitchell and his mother Corinne have opened their mouths publicly they’ve dug themselves in deeper
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell - Interview with Sky's James Matthews
« Reply #289 on: September 10, 2021, 09:52:18 PM »
And it has always been the case, that these areas of statements, in sequence could always have been shown, to back up these nonsense claims of agreeing with Mitchell. They have not been and will not be shown, for they do not.

Of course they don’t

[Name removed]’s family have far more knowledge on all the actual factual details than Sandra Lean will ever have

And she had the gall to suggest to me in January 2017 to ‘Put the shovel down’   *&^^&
(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg384647.html#msg384647)
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Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell - Interview with Sky's James Matthews
« Reply #290 on: September 10, 2021, 10:16:04 PM »
The pages of waffle set to confuse are for just that reason - to deflect away from Mitchell.

So the waffle - not one bit of it makes any difference to Mitchells actions and to what took place from 10.38pm.

She’s a ‘waffler’

Wafflers waffle

I pointed this out in 2017

Waffling is part and parcel of the innocence fraud phenomenon
« Last Edit: September 10, 2021, 11:14:11 PM by Nicholas »
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline faithlilly

Re: Luke Mitchell - Interview with Sky's James Matthews
« Reply #291 on: September 10, 2021, 11:41:14 PM »
Surprised somewhat at the question as most comes from the book, from Lean over time where the logs etc are concerned. As stated repeatedly around the search trio - It has always been that they arrived at that the V, not a foot past it. And not from the first account onwards has it been different. It was only ever Mitchell who stated they did. And I have discussed this directly with SL, and her proof as always is around the dog. Of Kelly and the "dogs head being level with the V" - That is not proof of Mitchells account or actions, not even close to it. And it is an accumulation of events not just a dog at the V.

And my repetition of being easily led and blind faith stands - You, nor anyone else have ever been shown any proof of those changes,  that come close to agreeing with Mitchell and changing their minds. The evidence led, the reason for that wall and the jury being taken to RDP, was to show them one thing clearly. That Mitchel and his dog did not go past the V. That he turned immediately to his left when he went over. That he had barely had time to walk ten steps when he shouted out. That he did not, when Kelly or AW go over, even walk around 10 steps to show them. That he did describe what was impossible to do. Kelly had to walk around 20 feet to see.

And it has always been the case, that these areas of statements, in sequence could always have been shown, to back up these nonsense claims of agreeing with Mitchell. They have not been and will not be shown, for they do not. The only thing DF could do at trial, was attempt the same where the dog was concerned. What he did not do and could not do, was take anyone of that search party, passed the V. He was furious at the evidence of the map Mitchell drew to the FLO.

So it was never about the dog, or Kelly forgetting (claimed) that it was standing at the V. It was always about Mitchells claims of going past that V. with his dog, THEN the dog reacting. It did not happen. There was nothing other than special knowledge for his actions. Every one of them.

And that time line can not be changed - that clear sequence of phone logs which back up the statements. And Mitchel in less than 10mins was ready and on that path in comparison to the search trio. 35mins it took to get ready and be on that path. And they did arrive at the junctions until around 11.20pm and they did see Mitchel and they walked to meet with him, in the top half of that path. And the time was approx 11.23 when they set off down together. I will work backwards here for you:

11.34pm call to 999, and AW and JaJ can be heard screaming in that call. It was made whilst AW was with her granddaughter. Work those 40ft or so back to the V, to being helped over. To Kelly and his 20ft and back and it brings you to Mitchell and just after 11.30 when he went over and walked his ten ft or so inline with JaJ and Kelly. And we work back our 6-7 mins from here to that meet and start of the walk down at around 11.23pm. And back from this to the search trio leaving AW's after that call at 11.03pm. To JF saying it was "around 11pm" he saw them leaving. YW stayed in a top flat overlooking, down the St to her Grandmothers house.

The pages of waffle set to confuse are for just that reason - to deflect away from Mitchell. The total time for walking the full length of RDP was timed at just over 11mins. He was on that path twice that time, by is own claims. And he was prepped and ready for the off. Ms Lean claims he "grabbed the torch and dog and left" - Not what Mitchell said though, is it? And not what Lean has shown before on forums. That he went upstairs and asked his brother for the torch, that SM came down and located said torch, the debate with his mother, then left.

So the waffle - not one bit of it makes any difference to Mitchells actions and to what took place from 10.38pm. And there is not one single piece of evidence other that waffle to put that search trio, anywhere other than AW's at 11.03pm. There is no multiple IF's around if they had arrived this time or that time - they arrived at that path when they did. It is Mitchell that does not fit into any rational. Plain and simple, attempting to tie him in with the search trio, does not work. You can not change the evidence.

So I studied the book, the forums - was part and still part of a group, two of whom attended the trial. The one area I studied was reason as to why suspicion fell upon Mitchell. - there was no tunnel vision.

Well Mrs Wah did that answer your question? Parky has got his information from an anonymous group that no other member, I believe, has ever heard of even though many of us have studied this case for years and, just for added credibility, two of that group actually attended the trial. How many days or weeks they attended the trial or even if they are simply attention seekers we unfortunately are not privy to.

Of course much of the testimony given at trial is really unimportant to the committed student of this case as by the time it got to trial that testimony bore little resemblance to the evidence given in those first, more traditionally accurate statements.Times, positions and descriptions had all changed to such an extent that you could almost fool yourself into believing that those giving testimony were different witnesses altogether. What of those changes though, strangely not one favoured Luke…strange that.

As an aside I can highly recommend the documentary A Killing In Tiger Bay shown on BBC2. This was the story of the Cardiff Three and the shocking miscarriage of justice they endured in a large part due to the tunnel vision of the South Wales police. However that’s not where the similarities with this case ended. The boyfriend of the deceased was placed in the frame almost from the moment that body was found, even though there was no forensics to link him to the murder, eyewitnesses who testified that they had seen some of the accused near the scene of the crime were discredited, preliminary witness statements bore no similarity to the evidence later given in court and on and on. Weirdly, just like Luke’s case too no similar murders had happened in the area after Lynette White’s and it was only after the convictions of the three men were quashed and the case reopened that the real killer was finally caught, some 15 years later.
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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell - Interview with Sky's James Matthews
« Reply #292 on: September 11, 2021, 12:06:55 AM »
As an aside I can highly recommend the documentary A Killing In Tiger Bay shown on BBC2..

Michael O’Brien is on the warpath over this

Michael A O’Brien
‘I am not happy with the way the BBC has portrayed there is only one miscarriage of justice case in South Wales because South Wales Police has caught the real killer what about the other cases of injustice? BBC doesn't give a f..k about the rest bang out of order they are
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline faithlilly

Re: Luke Mitchell - Interview with Sky's James Matthews
« Reply #293 on: September 11, 2021, 12:19:35 AM »
Michael O’Brien is on the warpath over this

Michael A O’Brien
‘I am not happy with the way the BBC has portrayed there is only one miscarriage of justice case in South Wales because South Wales Police has caught the real killer what about the other cases of injustice? BBC doesn't give a f..k about the rest bang out of order they are


Probably true but it doesn’t change the value of this documentary.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Paranoid Android

Re: Luke Mitchell - Interview with Sky's James Matthews
« Reply #294 on: September 11, 2021, 10:04:55 AM »
most comes from the book

Just quoting this again for those who seem to have missed it.

Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell - Interview with Sky's James Matthews
« Reply #295 on: September 11, 2021, 10:09:22 AM »
most comes from the book

Just quoting this again for those who seem to have missed it.

Some of us didn’t need to read her book to recognise what she was up to
« Last Edit: September 11, 2021, 10:13:15 AM by Nicholas »
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline faithlilly

Re: Luke Mitchell - Interview with Sky's James Matthews
« Reply #296 on: September 11, 2021, 10:20:52 AM »
Just quoting this again for those who seem to have missed it.

A case of believing what you want to believe.

Janine Jones court testimony “ Luke went straight over the wall”
Janine Jones first statement “Luke’s dog was carrying on at the wall and then Luke jumped over and started looking about”.

Source : BBC Scotland Frontline
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell - Interview with Sky's James Matthews
« Reply #297 on: September 11, 2021, 11:14:14 AM »
A case of believing what you want to believe.

‘A case of’ separating the fantasy from the reality

And Sandra Lean wasn’t there - Janine Jones was
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline faithlilly

Re: Luke Mitchell - Interview with Sky's James Matthews
« Reply #298 on: September 11, 2021, 11:40:30 AM »
‘A case of’ separating the fantasy from the reality

And Sandra Lean wasn’t there - Janine Jones was

Yes she was and gave two very different scenarios regarding what happened.

Only the perpetually easily lead wouldn’t question that.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell - Interview with Sky's James Matthews
« Reply #299 on: September 11, 2021, 11:46:45 AM »
Yes she was and gave two very different scenarios regarding what happened.

Only the perpetually easily lead wouldn’t question that.

It was questioned in court by DF who had access to her FULL police witness statements - not snippets


Donald Findlay reads a statement given by Janine to police in the early hours of July 1 in which she said that 'everyone was in hysterics'.
Under cross-examination, Janine says: 'The only time Luke showed any emotion was when he was on the phone to the police and we started shouting at him and then he started to raise his voice.'
Findlay asks: 'Are you saying the police have written something wrong in the statement.'
Janine answers: 'I may have phrased it wrong. They may have taken it down wrong. I didn't mean everyone was in hysterics.
'As I said, the police have misrepresented it.'

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/THE+JODI+JONES+TRIAL%3A+'We+heard+Luke+shouting+there+was+something...-a0126045465

Did DF read the FULL statement or parts of the statement?
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Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation