Toddler died hours after slipping on marble floor in her family's apartment

[Mr Gray]

Do you enjoy pointless arguments when you damning well I won't accept your opinion on that ?

You have made my point very well

[Mr Gray]

Do you enjoy pointless arguments when you damning well I won't accept your opinion on that ?

It's not an opinion it's a fact

[John]

For those who still don't understand....a fall in a house where a child bangs their head results in a subdural haematoma. This can be fatal but death is never immediate and occurs hours or some times days later. Therefore the idea that Maddie fell and died whilst the mccanns were at the tapas is impossible

I must say davel, that must be the silliest thing you have ever posted. Of course she could have fallen and died while her parents were at the tapas.  Death can in many cases be almost instantaneous if a child breaks its neck in a fall.

Personally, I don't see why.  Why is it impossible for Madeleine to bang her head at 8:30 when the parents left and not die before 10pm?  Improbable, yes.  Impossible, no.

The banged head theory could involve a bang at a previous time.  Any time after Madeleine reached 5A but before the parents went out, and there is plenty of time.

If the bang happened earlier, and was either not seen or not recorded, there is also plenty of time.  Madeleine was pale, washed out, tired at high tea.

To rule out a head bang you need to be able to prove that no such head bang occurred, a task that is impossible.  Just as, in absence of evidence stronger than 'Madeleine was tired', you cannot conclude it was a head bang.

An excellent post.

[stephen25000]

It's not an opinion it's a fact

You're wasting your time arguing the toss.

End of.

[Mr Gray]

I must say davel, that must be the silliest thing you have ever posted. Of course she could have fallen and died while her parents were at the tapas.  Death can in many cases be almost instantaneous if a child breaks its neck in a fall.


An excellent post.

How would Maddie fall and break her neck inside the apartment
Then we have SL claiming it's possible Maddie had a fall that fractured her skull earlier and no one noticed
Both those ideas are ridiculous
My post certainly isnt

[stephen25000]

How would Maddie fall and break her neck inside the apartment
Then we have SL claiming it's possible Maddie had a fall that fractured her skull earlier and no one noticed
Both those ideas are ridiculous
My post certainly isnt

Rubbish.

Accidents can happen which parents are unaware of at the time.

Delayed effects, but this has been dealt with before.

[Mr Gray]

Rubbish.

Accidents can happen which parents are unaware of at the time.

Delayed effects, but this has been dealt with before.

theres more chance of Father Christmas being real

[stephen25000]

theres more chance of Father Christmas being real

Can you provide a cite for that ? %£5&% %£5&%

[G-Unit]

How would Maddie fall and break her neck inside the apartment
Then we have SL claiming it's possible Maddie had a fall that fractured her skull earlier and no one noticed
Both those ideas are ridiculous
My post certainly isnt

Outside? Quite a fall that!

[Mr Gray]

Outside? Quite a fall that!

So you accept no fatal accident occurred in the apt

[Lace]

I still can't get my head around the fact that some think that the McCann's if they found Madeleine dead behind the sofa,  would instead of giving her a decent burial,  would hide her body!!   

If Kate found Madeleine,   what are the odds of her bungling Madeleine into a cupboard and not running off to say she had found Madeleine dead?

If she was found dead,   why invent an abduction?    it would have been much easier to have said she died during the night.     Or even if they did decide on hiding her for some bizarre reason that I really can't think of,   then telling no one and just hiding her that night,   then saying she had been abducted during the night,  either by opening a window or saying they forgot to lock the patio doors,  that would have been a better idea as then they wouldn't be blamed for leaving her alone.

After all they knew of this wonderful place where she would never be discovered.

[Alice Purjorick]

What's the point
I provided overwhelming proof the Express did not apologise but Stephen still couldn't accept it

To demonstrate whether you deal in facts or over exaggerated turns of phrase?

[John]

How would Maddie fall and break her neck inside the apartment
Then we have SL claiming it's possible Maddie had a fall that fractured her skull earlier and no one noticed
Both those ideas are ridiculous
My post certainly isnt

It's very simple actually. I remember back some years ago when we lived in Spain.  A toddler climbed onto a deckchair and somersalted over the back of it striking his forehead on a tiled patio floor.  A huge golfball sized bump ensued.  It could have been so much worse so easily.  A fractured skull can go unnoticed very easily given the right circumstances and it is a bit disingenuous of you not to admit it if I may say so.

[Mr Gray]

To demonstrate whether you deal in facts or over exaggerated turns of phrase?

you are well aware that we have been through this before and no one could come up with an example of a child dying in circumstances that would fit this scenario....your effort was death on an exercise machine...there were no such exercise machines in the apt...the whole idea of an accidental death inside the apartment in the timescale is absolutely preposterous...

[stephen25000]

you are well aware that we have been through this before and no one could come up with an example of a child dying in circumstances that would fit this scenario....your effort was death on an exercise machine...there were no such exercise machines in the apt...the whole idea of an accidental death inside the apartment in the timescale is absolutely preposterous...

Indeed we have been over this, and a prior accident, when the parents weren't there, their attention diverted, is quite feasible.