Toddler died hours after slipping on marble floor in her family's apartment

[pegasus]

Is it possible that the real cause of this accidental death was completely missed and it's absolutely nothing to do with any head injury or fall?

[misty]

Is it possible that the real cause of this accidental death was completely missed and it's absolutely nothing to do with any head injury or fall?

Are you referring to the bronchopneumonia aspect which the original pathologist missed?

[pegasus]

Are you referring to the bronchopneumonia aspect which the original pathologist missed?

IMO it's clear that it's nothing related with the bruising, and nothing directly related with the very minor fall (although it might possibly be indirectly related), and as I understand it the UK expert completely ruled both those factors out? IMO you're in the correct very general direction Misty. IMO the presented symptoms, once you ignore those two things, clearly indicate a very specific and recently moderately well documented accidental cause, and I am thinking I should email one of the experts involved rather than post it here. But, completely unqualified, I am possibly wrong.

[misty]

IMO it's clear that it's nothing related with the bruising, and nothing directly related with the very minor fall (although it might possibly be indirectly related), and as I understand it the UK expert completely ruled both those factors out? IMO you're in the correct very general direction Misty. IMO the presented symptoms, once you ignore those two things, clearly indicate a very specific and recently moderately well documented accidental cause, and I am thinking I should email one of the experts involved rather than post it here. But, completely unqualified, I am possibly wrong.

If the UK pathologist was correct, Chloe may have become severely ill within hours if sepsis was present. It seems odd that it couldn't be determined as the cause of death, although there was no evidence of a skin rash.
Her mother was a nurse, so it's possible she could have infected Chloe with bacteria brought home from work.
IMO, though, if the experts were unable to determine the cause when they had all the test results in their possession, any speculation on our part, logical or otherwise, is certainly not going to. It won't bring Chloe back.

[pegasus]

I read all the articles, discarded all assumptions, and just made a list of all the actual symptoms, and googled them Misty.

[misty]

I read all the articles, discarded all assumptions, and just made a list of all the actual symptoms, and googled them Misty.

Would you care to share or just PM me with what conclusion you reached? I don't think it has any relevance whatsoever to MM case.

[mercury]

Don't leave your sprogs alone is the answer here

there is much to facilitate their death

[Vicky]

I hate those marble floors. In December we took our kids away on on the very last day my 3 year old fell and landed head first on the floor. I was terrified. Nothing came of it mind, bar a terrible bruise but she was so lucky she didn't shatter her cheekbone or something with how she landed.

[Eleanor]

One of my sons once fell out of a window onto concrete and knocked himself out, and I was there at the time.  Nothing came of that either, although he did have mild concussion.

However, I wasn't actually watching him, so my bad, I suppose.  But I can't say that I suffered much from guilt about it.

[Vicky]

Sorry, you weren't watching your son and he fell out of a window because of this, and you didn't feel guilty about that?

Hoping I read that wrong :S

[Eleanor]

Sorry, you weren't watching your son and he fell out of a window because of this, and you didn't feel guilty about that?

Hoping I read that wrong :S

No, you didn't read it wrong.  Find me a parent that watches their children 24/7.  It just isn't possible.

And I did exactly the same as The McCanns, checking on them every half an hour.  And No, I don't feel guilty about that either.

God save me from Perfect Parents.

[Vicky]

No, you didn't read it wrong. Find me a parent that watches their children 24/7.  It just isn't possible.

And I did exactly the same as The McCanns, checking on them every half an hour.  And No, I don't feel guilty about that either.

God save me from Perfect Parents.

Of course not. And accidents do happen. I feel guilty if my kids fall over and hurt themselves at any point though, so I just cant understand not feeling guilty when you weren't actually watching a kid and hthey fell out of a window. Different strokes for different folks I guess. Maybe I care too much or something, or am overly sensitive  &%+((£

Why would you leave your kids alone and only check on them every half hour?

I know this is none of my business, just genuinely curious of what kind of a situation would call for this

[Eleanor]

Of course not. And accidents do happen. I feel guilty if my kids fall over and hurt themselves at any point though, so I just cant understand not feeling guilty when you weren't actually watching a kid and hthey fell out of a window. Different strokes for different folks I guess. Maybe I care too much or something, or am overly sensitive  &%+((£

Why would you leave your kids alone and only check on them every half hour?

I know this is none of my business, just genuinely curious of what kind of a situation would call for this

No, it isn't any of your business.  And this Forum isn't going to get to decimate my circumstances at the time because I feel no need to explain.

But if you think I just walked away without a passing thought then you are very sadly mistaken.

I learned to cope with the bumps and bruises.  I had a few of my own, and no one was neglecting me.

[Vicky]

No, it isn't any of your business.  And this Forum isn't going to get to decimate my circumstances at the time because I feel no need to explain.

But if you think I just walked away without a passing thought then you are very sadly mistaken.

I learned to cope with the bumps and bruises.  I had a few of my own, and no one was neglecting me.

I never said that..it was you that immediately mentioned not feeling guilty. Along with randomly stating you left your child(or children) alone for periods of 30 mins at a time. Which is an odd thing to add for no reason  &%+((£

[Mr Gray]

I never said that..it was you that immediately mentioned not feeling guilty. Along with randomly stating you left your child(or children) alone for periods of 30 mins at a time. Which is an odd thing to add for no reason  &%+((£

I did exactly the same as the mccanns 25 years ago but the apt was locked...wouldn't do it now