Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?

[John]

Leonor was in a PJ station at the time.

Yes but who knows what happened to her in prison.  Child murderers tend to attract unwanted attention.

[Carana]

You make it sound as if they did it for fun?   Which part of an 8-year-old child was missing don't you understand Dave?

The PJ couldn't find the child and decided that therefore the Ciprianos had killed her. The PJ was sent off to produce her remains.

Whatever one's stance on whether police brutality is ever justified or not, this wasn't a case of the PJ using excessive force to save a child in imminent danger of death as they were already convinced that she'd been killed.

[Mr Gray]

You make it sound as if they did it for fun?   Which part of an 8-year-old child was missing don't you understand Dave?

so the PJ did do it...torture like this is not acceptable.....

[Mr Gray]

Yes but who knows what happened to her in prison.  Child murderers tend to attract unwanted attention.

If she was beaten by fellow inmates why did the pj claim she had fallen down stairs inside the police station...what you are saying doesn't make sense. If she was beaten by fellow inmates why have the pj never claimed this...why didn't amaral use it in his defence....It's obvious she was beaten by the pj...it's what they do

[Carana]

Yes but who knows what happened to her in prison.  Child murderers tend to attract unwanted attention.

Yes, I know that.

But that isn't the situation concerning the events in question. She was at a PJ station, not in prison. The judges went through the potential scenario of having been bashed by inmates and dismissed it. 

[Eleanor]

Persons who commit acts of torture must get some enjoyment from this.  They wouldn't be capable otherwise.

[Jean-Pierre]

Certainly not but then this happens all the time, it is nothing new for cops to rough up a suspect.  I have seen police and functionarios beating up prisoners on many occasions in Spain.  One lad was strapped to his bed face down while being beaten with a strap.  His crime was to have assaulted a functionario with a piece of broken glass. I'm afraid very little is black and white when it comes to inmates in a prison.

Cipriano was taken from the prison to a police station where se was interrogated for 48 hours.

I am aware that "it is nothing new for cops to rough up a suspect", and that it does happen.

The problem is that these methods of beating a confession out of a suspect may be good for the clear up rate, but are spectacularly bad at actually solving the crime, and leads to miscarriages of justice.

What does surprise me is the sanguine acceptance by individuals on this forum, miscarriageofjustice" - er.... right. 

[Admin]

Cipriano was taken from the prison to a police station where se was interrogated for 48 hours.

I am aware that "it is nothing new for cops to rough up a suspect", and that it does happen.

The problem is that these methods of beating a confession out of a suspect may be good for the clear up rate, but are spectacularly bad at actually solving the crime, and leads to miscarriages of justice.

What does surprise me is the sanguine acceptance by individuals on this forum, miscarriageofjustice" - er.... right.

Justice means different things to different people depending on the circumstances then prevailing.

What about justice for Madeleine?

[stephen25000]

Justice means different things to different people depending on the circumstances then prevailing.

What about justice for Madeleine?

...and Joana.

[Carana]

Persons who commit acts of torture must get some enjoyment from this.  They wouldn't be capable otherwise.

Even a quick skim of YouTube documentaries shows that prison inmates may present a variety of characteristics: a violent disposition, uncontrollable urges, low IQ or social skills, a need to beat their chests as alpha males / females to gain power, authority and privileges within a restricted sphere, a sense of justice (or just recreational fun) in meting out a different form of "punishment" behind bars.

The issue is not what happens in prison by inmates in this case. It concerns what happened at the PJ station, while she was under their protection.

[Eleanor]

Even a quick skim of YouTube documentaries shows that prison inmates may present a variety of characteristics: a violent disposition, uncontrollable urges, low IQ or social skills, a need to beat their chests as alpha males / females to gain power, authority and privileges within a restricted sphere, a sense of justice (or just recreational fun) in meting out a different form of "punishment" behind bars.

The issue is not what happens in prison by inmates in this case. It concerns what happened at the PJ station, while she was under their protection.

Which doesn't half make one wonder.

[Carana]

...and Joana.

That's my concern as well, although our views are often somewhat opposed.

[stephen25000]

Even a quick skim of YouTube documentaries shows that prison inmates may present a variety of characteristics: a violent disposition, uncontrollable urges, low IQ or social skills, a need to beat their chests as alpha males / females to gain power, authority and privileges within a restricted sphere, a sense of justice (or just recreational fun) in meting out a different form of "punishment" behind bars.

The issue is not what happens in prison by inmates in this case. It concerns what happened at the PJ station, while she was under their protection.

So rather than just type on here Carana, why don't you take your concerns to the Portuguese Judicial System ?

and likewise admit, Portugal is far from unique in what can happen to some prisoners.

[Mr Gray]

Justice means different things to different people depending on the circumstances then prevailing.

What about justice for Madeleine?

justice means different things to different poeple and that's why we cannot allow anyone to decide what justice means to them...that is anarchy...that's why we have laws which everyone should obey.....it is not up to individuals to decide what justice is

[Mr Gray]

So rather than just type on here Carana, why don't you take your concerns to the Portuguese Judicial System ?

and likewise admit, Portugal is far from unique in what can happen to some prisoners.

that is  a particularly ridiculous post....do you think portugal would take any notice of Carana