Is UK 'culture' to blame for child neglect -leading to child suffering?

[stephen25000]

A Metropolitan Police officer too.

Indeed.

Is she still serving ?

I wonder if she has asked the McCann's for advice.

Was she demonstrating 'responsible parenting skills' ?

[G-Unit]

http://law.justia.com/cases/new-york/other-courts/2015/2015-ny-slip-op-51097-u.html

A very interesting read, especially the discussion over whether leaving a small child alone and unsupervised is a criminal act or 'simply bad parenting'. The risks are detailed, and they seem to be saying that a parent should be able to predict the risks;

reasonable inferences to be drawn from this that would support findings that these circumstances were likely to cause harm to the children and that the defendant knew this to be so." The same is true here. As the People correctly argue, Lisk Aff. at ¶ 5, an infant child left alone in a hotel room could have placed a small object in his mouth and choked, been suffocated by bedding, or fallen over and hit his head.
http://law.justia.com/cases/new-york/other-courts/2015/2015-ny-slip-op-51097-u.html

[Mr Gray]

A very interesting read, especially the discussion over whether leaving a small child alone and unsupervised is a criminal act or 'simply bad parenting'. The risks are detailed, and they seem to be saying that a parent should be able to predict the risks;

reasonable inferences to be drawn from this that would support findings that these circumstances were likely to cause harm to the children and that the defendant knew this to be so." The same is true here. As the People correctly argue, Lisk Aff. at ¶ 5, an infant child left alone in a hotel room could have placed a small object in his mouth and choked, been suffocated by bedding, or fallen over and hit his head.
http://law.justia.com/cases/new-york/other-courts/2015/2015-ny-slip-op-51097-u.html

It is looking to me like a complete over reaction by the police involved and an attempt by the police to save face.
Originally charged with possession of codeine even though they were prescribed by her doctor. Then even with this knowledge the decision to press charges in court.
What evidence to support the neglect charges.......then even though the original decision was to press charge of neglect and possession of a controlled substance...all charges suddenly dropped....

Child taken into care for 6 or so months...with no proof of neglect....looks like she has a strong case against NYPD

[Mr Gray]

reading the evidence of Mr Roque Duran...

he claims the defendant left the baby on the floor of the lobby ...unattended...for one hour...what did mr Duran do during this time...watch...get on with his work...no...he left the baby on the floor..... .anyone would have picked the baby up.....something is not right here

[stephen25000]

reading the evidence of Mr Roque Duran...

he claims the defendant left the baby on the floor of the lobby ...unattended...for one hour...what did mr Duran do during this time...watch...get on with his work...no...he left the baby on the floor..... .anyone would have picked the baby up.....something is not right here

Take it up with the mother.

After all, she was responsible for what she did, and people should take responsibility for their actions, shouldn't they dave ?

[Mr Gray]

Take it up with the mother.

After all, she was responsible for what she did, and people should take responsibility for their actions, shouldn't they dave ?

you do make rather silly posts...

[stephen25000]

you do make rather silly posts...

It's not silly.

Yet again, you avoid answering the question properly.

Perhaps you should read Priestley's classic about taking responsibility for your actions.

[jassi]

reading the evidence of Mr Roque Duran...

he claims the defendant left the baby on the floor of the lobby ...unattended...for one hour...what did mr Duran do during this time...watch...get on with his work...no...he left the baby on the floor..... .anyone would have picked the baby up.....something is not right here

I would agree, we haven't the whole story. I mean, who would choose to leave their small child on a (probably dirty)  hotel floor

[Mr Gray]

It's not silly.

Yet again, you avoid answering the question properly.

Perhaps you should read Priestley's classic about taking responsibility for your actions.

it is more than silly to tell me to take it up with the mother...in fact its absolutely stupid
Roque claimed the baby was on the floor of the lobby for an hour....and no one picked the baby up...looks like roque is lying and no wonder charges have been dropped

[Mr Gray]

I would agree, we haven't the whole story. I mean, who would choose to leave their small child on a (probably dirty)  hotel floor

yes...supposedly left on the floor for an hour...and supposedly no one picked the baby up...rubbish

[G-Unit]

reading the evidence of Mr Roque Duran...

he claims the defendant left the baby on the floor of the lobby ...unattended...for one hour...what did mr Duran do during this time...watch...get on with his work...no...he left the baby on the floor..... .anyone would have picked the baby up.....something is not right here

I'm a woman and I wouldn't pick someone else's baby up. I may have stood by it and guarded it, but that's all. Any man picking up someone else's child is asking for a big argument at the very least these days. I'm more inclined to wonder how far away the mother actually was and why she chose to leave her baby on the floor of a rather seedy hotel in New York. I wouldn't leave my handbag unattended in a similar situation, let alone my baby.

[stephen25000]

it is more than silly to tell me to take it up with the mother...in fact its absolutely stupid
Roque claimed the baby was on the floor of the lobby for an hour....and no one picked the baby up...looks like roque is lying and no wonder charges have been dropped

You seem to forget she left her baby in a hotel room unattended.

Now dave, should people take responsibility for their actions, YES or NO  ?

and not blame others ?

[stephen25000]

I'm a woman and I wouldn't pick someone else's baby up. I may have stood by it and guarded it, but that's all. Any man picking up someone else's child is asking for a big argument at the very least these days. I'm more inclined to wonder how far away the mother actually was and why she chose to leave her baby on the floor of a rather seedy hotel in New York. I wouldn't leave my handbag unattended in a similar situation, let alone my baby.

I totally agree with that.

ALL this is the mother's fault.

[Mr Gray]

I'm a woman and I wouldn't pick someone else's baby up. I may have stood by it and guarded it, but that's all. Any man picking up someone else's child is asking for a big argument at the very least these days. I'm more inclined to wonder how far away the mother actually was and why she chose to leave her baby on the floor of a rather seedy hotel in New York. I wouldn't leave my handbag unattended in a similar situation, let alone my baby.

I'm  a man...and if I saw  a baby unnattended on a hotel floor...I would ask poeple around whose the baby was ...then pick the baby up and take it to reception......not leave it on the floor for an hour..ridiculous

[Mr Gray]

I'm a woman and I wouldn't pick someone else's baby up. I may have stood by it and guarded it, but that's all. Any man picking up someone else's child is asking for a big argument at the very least these days. I'm more inclined to wonder how far away the mother actually was and why she chose to leave her baby on the floor of a rather seedy hotel in New York. I wouldn't leave my handbag unattended in a similar situation, let alone my baby.

we don't have any proper evidence the she did leave the bay on the lobby floor...but you are going to jump to your conclusions without evidence.. par for the course