Gonçalo Amaral should never have been taken off the case!

[Brietta]

Please cite the in-accuracies.  Not hard.

A number of people were after you, personally, for your relatively crude post. I chose to look into what actually happened.

Coffins, with a screwdriver. Please get into 2016.  I do NOT own a working screwdriver in the Algarve, as of this date.

Time to wrap your mind around, what the McCanns might have done, and what they were incapable of.

I think the focus should be on verifying whether or not such a scenario could have presented itself ... i.e who was the old lady, and do the circumstances of her burial match the allegation.

[Brietta]

You didnt solve the puzzle or come anywhere near  but best wishes for taking part

Thank you, Mercury.

I really do not think there is any puzzle at all ... nor do I think there is any foundation for one.  My reasoning for that is that the particular allegation appears to have been dropped like a hot potato ... by those who blush not at promoting all other nonsenses if uttered by the great man himself.

[mercury]

Thank you, Mercury.

I really do not think there is any puzzle at all ... nor do I think there is any foundation for one.  My reasoning for that is that the particular allegation appears to have been dropped like a hot potato ... by those who blush not at promoting all other nonsenses if uttered by the great man himself.

Dont be so silly the whole case is a puzzle....One thing it certainly isnt is a slam dunk abduction case
....not anywhere near it either

[slartibartfast]

Please cite the in-accuracies.  Not hard.

A number of people were after you, personally, for your relatively crude post. I chose to look into what actually happened.

Coffins, with a screwdriver. Please get into 2016.  I do NOT own a working screwdriver in the Algarve, as of this date.

Time to wrap your mind around, what the McCanns might have done, and what they were incapable of.

Just did.

[John]

The big question is,  had Gonçalo Amaral not been removed from his post as Coordinator of the Madeleine McCann investigation what would have happened?

[Carana]

The big question is,  had Gonçalo Amaral not been removed from his post as Coordinator of the Madeleine McCann investigation what would have happened?

He said he'd have carried on looking for a freezer and would have got members of the Smith family over again (not hard to guess which ones)...

[Brietta]

The big question is,  had Gonçalo Amaral not been removed from his post as Coordinator of the Madeleine McCann investigation what would have happened?

Failure to elicit a confession from either parent certainly threw a spanner into the works.  Is there one of the infamous 48 which would have lent one iota towards adding to the sum of knowledge of what might have happened to Madeleine.

I think not.

Is it possible he would have run with the dogs and Madeleine's DNA in the Renault?  If he had is it possible the Portuguese prosecutors would have accepted that as grounds for prosecution?
Bearing in mind they were not idiots and they would have access to the final FSS information as well as being all too aware of the eyes of the world and the excellent legal representation enjoyed by the Drs McCann ... I think not.

That would have left him with Mr Smith's change of statement.

I think the prosecutors would have studied Mr McCluskey's statement and taken that into account.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RI_Mc.htm
Only Mr Smith added to his statement with the other members of the Smith family whose statements we have seen in the files disagreeing with him.

It was decided that there had not been sufficient evidence to make the Drs McCann arguidos in the first instance.  Had Goncalo Amaral waited a couple of days before doing so a change in Portuguese law would thus have ensured that they were not made arguidos in the first place.
There was no evidence which allowed it.

Therefore had he not been sacked and had he proceeded down the road of trying to bring Madeleine's parents to trial I think the proper implementation of Portuguese jurisprudence would have entailed him ending up with egg on his face.  If there was no evidence ... and there was none ... there would have been no trial.

I think nothing exemplifies his professional inadequacies more than his pursuit of the Drs McCann, preferably Kate, and is a perfect illustration of why he should never have been allowed near a missing child case.

The pursuit of and the traducing of the chief investigator's preferred suspects right from the word go illustrates that the plight or fate of the missing child seemed to take a back seat to his need to prosecute (the mother?).

As far as I know police investigations pursue evidence which can lead to another - and another - and another - or perhaps a dead end when another avenue of investigation needs to be followed.

I think the outcome would have been much the same without his sacking and I think he would have been moved so far sideways he would have had no option but resignation.

The only difference I could see being that were he arrogant enough still to write and promote his theory in a book ... it would not have enjoyed the same kudos as it would have been plain to all that his theory did not stand the test of a Portuguese court as there was no evidence to get it there.

[stephen25000]

Failure to elicit a confession from either parent certainly threw a spanner into the works.  Is there one of the infamous 48 which would have lent one iota towards adding to the sum of knowledge of what might have happened to Madeleine.

I think not.

Is it possible he would have run with the dogs and Madeleine's DNA in the Renault?  If he had is it possible the Portuguese prosecutors would have accepted that as grounds for prosecution?
Bearing in mind they were not idiots and they would have access to the final FSS information as well as being all too aware of the eyes of the world and the excellent legal representation enjoyed by the Drs McCann ... I think not.

That would have left him with Mr Smith's change of statement.

I think the prosecutors would have studied Mr McCluskey's statement and taken that into account.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RI_Mc.htm
Only Mr Smith added to his statement with the other members of the Smith family whose statements we have seen in the files disagreeing with him.

It was decided that there had not been sufficient evidence to make the Drs McCann arguidos in the first instance.  Had Goncalo Amaral waited a couple of days before doing so a change in Portuguese law would thus have ensured that they were not made arguidos in the first place.
There was no evidence which allowed it.

Therefore had he not been sacked and had he proceeded down the road of trying to bring Madeleine's parents to trial I think the proper implementation of Portuguese jurisprudence would have entailed him ending up with egg on his face.  If there was no evidence ... and there was none ... there would have been no trial.

I think nothing exemplifies his professional inadequacies more than his pursuit of the Drs McCann, preferably Kate, and is a perfect illustration of why he should never have been allowed near a missing child case.

The pursuit of and the traducing of the chief investigator's preferred suspects right from the word go illustrates that the plight or fate of the missing child seemed to take a back seat to his need to prosecute (the mother?).

As far as I know police investigations pursue evidence which can lead to another - and another - and another - or perhaps a dead end when another avenue of investigation needs to be followed.

I think the outcome would have been much the same without his sacking and I think he would have been moved so far sideways he would have had no option but resignation.

The only difference I could see being that were he arrogant enough still to write and promote his theory in a book ... it would not have enjoyed the same kudos as it would have been plain to all that his theory did not stand the test of a Portuguese court as there was no evidence to get it there.

You talk about the arrogance of Amaral writing a book, yet you overlook kate mccanns effort in the literary field, which only arose in the first place, due to her and her husbands neglect of their three children.

The irony of your post could not be any more obvious.

As to inadequacies, look no further than what the mccanns failed to do.

[Carana]

"The girl's parents had a key to church, in that church a vigil took place a month after the disappearance. According to information, the child's body could have been placed in the coffin, at the feet of the woman that was later cremated".

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2014/06/hidden-evidence.html

Known fact: the parents had a key.
Quite possibly fact: a vigil took place for some deceased lady.
Speculation: "...could have been placed..."

Out of curiosity, when exactly was this vigil? The church must have some kind of record.

[Carana]

Failure to elicit a confession from either parent certainly threw a spanner into the works.  Is there one of the infamous 48 which would have lent one iota towards adding to the sum of knowledge of what might have happened to Madeleine.

I think not.

Is it possible he would have run with the dogs and Madeleine's DNA in the Renault?  If he had is it possible the Portuguese prosecutors would have accepted that as grounds for prosecution?
Bearing in mind they were not idiots and they would have access to the final FSS information as well as being all too aware of the eyes of the world and the excellent legal representation enjoyed by the Drs McCann ... I think not.

That would have left him with Mr Smith's change of statement.

I think the prosecutors would have studied Mr McCluskey's statement and taken that into account.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RI_Mc.htm
Only Mr Smith added to his statement with the other members of the Smith family whose statements we have seen in the files disagreeing with him.

It was decided that there had not been sufficient evidence to make the Drs McCann arguidos in the first instance.  Had Goncalo Amaral waited a couple of days before doing so a change in Portuguese law would thus have ensured that they were not made arguidos in the first place.
There was no evidence which allowed it.

Therefore had he not been sacked and had he proceeded down the road of trying to bring Madeleine's parents to trial I think the proper implementation of Portuguese jurisprudence would have entailed him ending up with egg on his face.  If there was no evidence ... and there was none ... there would have been no trial.

I think nothing exemplifies his professional inadequacies more than his pursuit of the Drs McCann, preferably Kate, and is a perfect illustration of why he should never have been allowed near a missing child case.

The pursuit of and the traducing of the chief investigator's preferred suspects right from the word go illustrates that the plight or fate of the missing child seemed to take a back seat to his need to prosecute (the mother?).

As far as I know police investigations pursue evidence which can lead to another - and another - and another - or perhaps a dead end when another avenue of investigation needs to be followed.

I think the outcome would have been much the same without his sacking and I think he would have been moved so far sideways he would have had no option but resignation.

The only difference I could see being that were he arrogant enough still to write and promote his theory in a book ... it would not have enjoyed the same kudos as it would have been plain to all that his theory did not stand the test of a Portuguese court as there was no evidence to get it there.

There was no evidence of substance in the Cipriano case aside from that "reconstruction"...

Bearing in mind that the Cipriano trial took place just two years before the McCanns were made arguidos, if they had been uneducated Portuguese peasants with the same prosecutor, judges and jury and defence as in that case... would the outcome have been different?

[Lace]

You talk about the arrogance of Amaral writing a book, yet you overlook kate mccanns effort in the literary field, which only arose in the first place, due to her and her husbands neglect of their three children.

The irony of your post could not be any more obvious.

As to inadequacies, look no further than what the mccanns failed to do.

Amaral's money went into his pocket,  the McCann's went into the fund for Madeleine.  I don't blame Kate writing her book after the way Amaral used his book to accuse the McCann's of all sorts of things, from drugging their children to hiding her body.   He also hinted at swinging,   and there was a dark hint about his dog being killed,  quite sickening I thought.

You go on again about the McCann's leaving Madeleine alone,  your usual argument about everything,  the McCann's know they did wrong,  that doesn't mean they didn't go out to do all they can to find her,  and that meant stopping Amaral making his nasty accusations.

[Benice]

"The girl's parents had a key to church, in that church a vigil took place a month after the disappearance. According to information, the child's body could have been placed in the coffin, at the feet of the woman that was later cremated".

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2014/06/hidden-evidence.html

Known fact: the parents had a key.
Quite possibly fact: a vigil took place for some deceased lady.
Speculation: "...could have been placed..."

Out of curiosity, when exactly was this vigil? The church must have some kind of record.

Surely the whole point of a ''vigil'' is for people to actually stay with the corpse/coffin?   Perhaps they were so deep in prayer they didn't notice the McCanns - (who by then probably had the most recognisable faces in PdL) putting a dead body into the coffin alongside their loved one.   Jeez.

[Carana]

Surely the whole point of a ''vigil'' is for people to actually stay with the corpse/coffin?   Perhaps they were so deep in prayer they didn't notice the McCanns - (who by then probably had the most recognisable faces in PdL) putting a dead body into the coffin alongside their loved one.   Jeez.

Well, I suppose it changes from being fed to pigs...

[Brietta]

There was no evidence of substance in the Cipriano case aside from that "reconstruction"...

Bearing in mind that the Cipriano trial took place just two years before the McCanns were made arguidos, if they had been uneducated Portuguese peasants with the same prosecutor, judges and jury and defence as in that case... would the outcome have been different?

If what happened to Madeleine had happened to a working class Portuguese child ... I have absolutely no doubt that Joana's case would have been replicated.

Without the publicity and without the resources enabling the employment of a top notch legal team enjoyed by Madeleine's parents ... I think they would have been struggling too.

I believe that is certainly what the end the investigation was geared up to attain.  In neither Joana or Madeleine's case did the missing child appear to be much of a feature.

[pathfinder73]

"The girl's parents had a key to church, in that church a vigil took place a month after the disappearance. According to information, the child's body could have been placed in the coffin, at the feet of the woman that was later cremated".

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2014/06/hidden-evidence.html

Known fact: the parents had a key.
Quite possibly fact: a vigil took place for some deceased lady.
Speculation: "...could have been placed..."

Out of curiosity, when exactly was this vigil? The church must have some kind of record.

Sunday 3 June 2007 - one month after she disappeared.

"I fell asleep that night more peacefully than I had in many days." (Madeleine by Kate McCann)

GM Blog 22 August 2007
Kate is keen to get in touch with a very nice mum, who she spoke with at the toddler pool in the Ocean Club on Sunday 3rd June. She is sure you will remember the conversation and Kate would be grateful if you could get in touch at with her at campaign@findmadeleine.com