Could Madeleine McCann still be alive and well after 8 years?

[Brietta]

May 23, 2007
Justice minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin is setting up an investigation into the case of the Indian boy allegedly kidnapped from his home and later adopted by a Dutch couple. ‘This is a very serious case,’ Ballin is reported as saying. ‘Think of the repercussions for everyone involved.’ The boy was allegedly kidnapped in 1999 and sold to a children’s home with a false letter of acceptance from the parents. He was then brought to the Netherlands by a Dutch adoption agency and adopted by a Dutch couple. TV show Netwerk reported on Monday that the Indian police want the child returned to India for DNA tests and to rejoin his biological parents. According to the Netwerk report the Dutch agency has known the child had been kidnapped since 2005. Meanwhile, adoption specialist Rene Hoksbergen says it is possible that more Dutch adoption agencies are dealing in children stolen in India. He says 53 children have been brought to this country from the children’s centre involved in the Netwerk case.

Read more at DutchNews.nl: ‘Stolen boy’ may be one of dozens http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2007/05/stolen_boy_may_be_one_of_dozen/
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further to that:_

http://www.againstchildtrafficking.org/category/pap/nagarani/


Parents Nagarani and Kathirvel
Countries: India, The Netherlands
Agencies:  Malaysian Social Services, Meiling

Nagarani and Kathrivel’s son was kidnapped during the night in Chennai, India. Five years later the kidnappers were arrested and they confessed that her son had been sold to an orphanage Malaysian Social Services Chennai and subsequently was given for adoption to adoptive parents in the Netherlands, through the mediation of a Dutch adoption agency.

ACT retraced the child in the Netherlands. The adoptive parents have so far refused to cooperate in DNA testing, to proof that the child is indeed Nagarani’s. ACT helped this Indian family to find a Dutch Attorney and to file a Court case in the Netherlands that took place in June 2010.

After two weeks, Nagarani and Kathirvel went back to India. Without even having met the adoptive parents, who did not appear in Court.

The Family Court of Zwolle-Lelystad has ruled on March 4 2011 in the case. The Indian couple’s request for a DNA test to determine that a boy adopted by Dutch parents is their biological son, was dismissed by the Court.

On 13 September 2012 the Dutch Appeal Court also dismissed the Indian’s parent’s request.

ACT is working on further actions.

A perfect example of why Madeleine's parents were advised to make her a Ward of Court ... were she to be found it is not Whoever? V McCann ... but Whoever? V Her Britannic Majesty's Government.

Disgraceful that the DNA request was refused.

[Alice Purjorick]

Basing ones future on winning the lottery could be seen as destructive hope. 

Hoping your child is still alive even though the chances are realistically slim, is not. 

I am wondering what your point is?

Do you really wish to know?

[Alfred R Jones]

So why do you frequently ask "sceptics" for examples then?

why not?

[jassi]

A perfect example of why Madeleine's parents were advised to make her a Ward of Court ... were she to be found it is not Whoever? V McCann ... but Whoever? V Her Britannic Majesty's Government.

Disgraceful that the DNA request was refused.

Presumably the court considered it had good reason to do so.

[Alice Purjorick]

why not?

Because it really has no relevance.

[Alfred R Jones]

Because it really has no relevance.

why not?

[Lace]

This boy was abducted age seven and escaped aged 14 -


• Steven Stayner was seven when he was abducted in California by Kenneth Parnell on the way home from school in 1972. Parnell called Stayner "Dennis" and told people he was his son, while moving around different areas of California. Stayner escaped aged 14, while Parnell was at work, rescuing another boy at the same time. Stayner died in a motorcycle crash nine years later. His story was dramatised in the TV mini series I Know My First Name is Steven.

[misty]

A perfect example of why Madeleine's parents were advised to make her a Ward of Court ... were she to be found it is not Whoever? V McCann ... but Whoever? V Her Britannic Majesty's Government.

Disgraceful that the DNA request was refused.

There could have been an issue under the UN Convention "Rights of the Child".
I don't think there is a law for mandatory DNA testing in child trafficking cases.

[Eleanor]

There could have been an issue under the UN Convention "Rights of the Child".
I don't think there is a law for mandatory DNA testing in child trafficking cases.

This is why it will be difficult to retrieve Madeleine, even if they do know where she is.

[sadie]

[There are loads of other reports on this case on the internet but this one covers most of the points.]


Children found after an investigation

... and a really bungled one at that.  Some people have voiced the opinion that certain senior elements within the Police, did not want the perps or the missiung children found.  Dunno if that is true, but having read many articles about it several years ago, I have big question marks in my mind about certain officials.


This takes a strong constitution to read.   I suggest that you do not read if you are easily upset


Marc Dutroux and Nihoul

http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/belgium/358/belgian-pedophile-trafficking-ring-and-alleged-cover-up-marc-dutroux-and-nihoul/15315/

[sadie]

And another

Jaycee Lee Duggard

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Jaycee_Lee_Dugard

loads of reports on the internet, some saying that her abductor 'farmed her out', with a queue outside including Police Officers.

Several members of the public alerted the Police but nothing was done in depth.  They 'searched the house and looked in the garden but didn't bother with the sheds at the bottom of the garden where Jaycee and her children lived, despite neighbours reports.


Rather like the Dutroux affair, doncha think.  The Officials there ignored obvious signs.

[sadie]

And a third

Elizabeth Smart

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Smart_kidnapping

All these cases showed some reluctance by The Police to fully investigate, for one reason or another.  The first two reasons are questionable and make me wonder if certain Police Officers were involved ... or the thrall of certain powerful people.


All these cases are of older girls than Madeleine.  They were all abused.   I have reasons for believing that Madeleine has not been abused.

[stephen25000]

 However, it doesn't mean Madeleine will be found alive.

Does it ?

[Carana]

However, it doesn't mean Madeleine will be found alive.

Does it ?

No, it doesn't.

However, in the absence of any proof of her fate, what is your objection to the possibility that she might still be out there somewhere hoping for someone to rescue her?

[jassi]

Why might she be expecting to be rescued?. She might be living the life of a pampered princess with loving 'parents'