Could Madeleine McCann still be alive and well after 8 years?

[Lace]

It's called living in the real world Sadie.

There you go again 'it's called living in the real world Sadie'.    Living in the real world means knowing that things can happen that are not expected,   living in the real world means,  just because you believe something doesn't mean everyone else has to believe it too,   living in the real world means,  even if you think all odds are against something you still have hope that maybe there's a light at the end of the tunnel.

I read a story about a baby who was diagnosed with Meningitis,   the child was gravely ill and the Drs. told the parents his organs were shutting down and to prepare for his death as he wasn't expected to live.   The parents spent the hours which they believed were his last but they were both still hoping though they felt it was useless, that he would pull through,  they phoned family and they came and said goodbye to him.    Yet,   his eyes flickered and he opened them,  and gradually he got better.

That is life Stephen,   that is living in the real world,  where the unexpected could happen,   and you have no right was so ever to call those who hope that they are not living in the real world,  that because your world is so small and your glass always half empty you some how are more superior to others.

No doubt you will say 'told you so'   if Madeleine is found dead,  but to gloat about it would only show yourself up.

[G-Unit]

In order to hope that Madeleine is alive it's necessary to believe she was abducted.

[slartibartfast]

We live in an era of smart phones and instant communication.  Absolutely no need to put an innocent family in fear of a stranger showing an inordinate interest in their child ... or to alert the guilty.

So the authorities should just hack anyone they fancy?

[stephen25000]

There you go again 'it's called living in the real world Sadie'.    Living in the real world means knowing that things can happen that are not expected,   living in the real world means,  just because you believe something doesn't mean everyone else has to believe it too,   living in the real world means,  even if you think all odds are against something you still have hope that maybe there's a light at the end of the tunnel.

I read a story about a baby who was diagnosed with Meningitis,   the child was gravely ill and the Drs. told the parents his organs were shutting down and to prepare for his death as he wasn't expected to live.   The parents spent the hours which they believed were his last but they were both still hoping though they felt it was useless, that he would pull through,  they phoned family and they came and said goodbye to him.    Yet,   his eyes flickered and he opened them,  and gradually he got better.

That is life Stephen,   that is living in the real world,  where the unexpected could happen,   and you have no right was so ever to call those who hope that they are not living in the real world,  that because your world is so small and your glass always half empty you some how are more superior to others.

No doubt you will say 'told you so'   if Madeleine is found dead,  but to gloat about it would only show yourself up.

I would not gloat, why would I.

I simply believe, as many other people do, that she is no longer alive.

I do live in the real world and I don't believe in fantasies.

I take it as rote, that you also espouse Sadie's theories as well.

If so, that is your problem, not mine.

[Brietta]

So the authorities should just hack anyone they fancy?

I did not say that.

[slartibartfast]

I did not say that.

Maybe you clarify what you did mean then?

[Lace]

I would not gloat, why would I.

I simply believe, as many other people do, that she is no longer alive.

I do live in the real world and I don't believe in fantasies.

I take it as rote, that you also espouse Sadie's theories as well.

If so, that is your problem, not mine.

Madeleine may be dead,   but I still hope that she isn't,   that is not believing in fantasies,  I also live in the real world.

Sadie has her theories I wouldn't discount them as   I not in a position  to know if they are right or not and neither are you.

We are all here to debate and not put others down for what they believe,  everyone is entitled to have an opinion and no one need think they are more superior than another.

[stephen25000]

Madeleine may be dead,   but I still hope that she isn't,   that is not believing in fantasies,  I also live in the real world.

Sadie has her theories I wouldn't discount them as   I not in a position  to know if they are right or not and neither are you.

We are all here to debate and not put others down for what they believe,  everyone is entitled to have an opinion and no one need think they are more superior than another.

You seem quite happy then for Sadie to attack my views on the case.

I notice you don not condemn her when she makes her comments on other peoples motives.

That is the typical behaviour I have observed, time and time again.


Mccann supporters don't like being criticized, but are quite happy to attack others.

[G-Unit]

Almost impossible to get her DNA since no one appears to have the right to demand this.

Whose DNA? Madeleine's is available to anyone who understands such things.

[Eleanor]

Whose DNA? Madeleine's is available to anyone who understands such things.

The DNA of any child who could be Madeleine.  No one has the right to demand this as far as I can see.

And a Court somewhere has just denied the natural parents this right, even though the child could well be theirs.

[Lace]

You seem quite happy then for Sadie to attack my views on the case.

I notice you don not condemn her when she makes her comments on other peoples motives.

That is the typical behaviour I have observed, time and time again.


Mccann supporters don't like being criticized, but are quite happy to attack others.

You are always quick to say I am living in fantasy land,   every opportunity you have.

Now,  Stephen,   I am not wasting anymore time discussing this.

[stephen25000]

You are always quick to say I am living in fantasy land,   every opportunity you have.

Now,  Stephen,   I am not wasting anymore time discussing this.

Rubbish.

I do not say you are living in fantasy l;and all the time.

I also note you do not acknowledge that Sadie questions  the motives or beliefs of others, when she clearly does.

That makes you a hypocrite.

[Brietta]

Maybe you clarify what you did mean then?

Oh dear ... you really require clarification???  My phone may be tired and ancient but even I am aware of how an all singing all dancing smartphone operates.  Mysterious things called apps ...

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That is an American version, but I am sure the European one will be much the same.

[Eleanor]

Can we stop this, please.  I shall be deleting in a minute.

[misty]

The DNA of any child who could be Madeleine.  No one has the right to demand this as far as I can see.

And a Court somewhere has just denied the natural parents this right, even though the child could well be theirs.

This may be of interest.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10254236
7 June 2010
 From the section Latin America & Caribbean
Marcela and Felipe Noble Herrera
Image caption
Marcela and Felipe say they have no wish to discover their birth families
Scientists in Argentina have begun DNA tests on the adopted heirs to a media empire to see who their natural parents are.
A judge ordered the tests to see if Marcela and Felipe Noble Herrera were taken from people killed during military rule in the 1970s and 80s.
Human rights groups say the children were then given up for adoption.
The siblings say their privacy is being violated and there is no evidence against their adoptive mother.
Marcela and Felipe surrendered clothes so that samples of their DNA could be taken after a court order last week.
The DNA will be compared to samples given by hundreds of families whose relatives were tortured and murdered during military rule from 1976 to 1983, a period known as Argentina's Dirty War.
It may take weeks for the results to be known.
Victim support groups first said in 2001 that they believed the biological mothers of Marcela and Felipe were among the hundreds of women who gave birth in clandestine torture centres and were then murdered.
The Grandmothers of the Plaza de Mayo group alleges that Ernestina Herrera de Noble, who owns the Clarin media conglomerate, illegally adopted them 34 years ago.
Marcela and Felipe say the demand for DNA tests is part of a politically motivated campaign against their adoptive mother, who has clashed with the government of President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner.
Identity
They have said there is no evidence that they were born in jail and seized from their biological parents, and that they have no desire to know more about their birth families.
"Our identity is ours. It's a private thing and I don't think it's up to the state or the Grandmothers to come and tell us what is ours," Marcela said.
They say that if the tests show they are the offspring of murdered political prisoners, they do not want to become the physical evidence against their mother.
Ernestina Herrera de Noble's lawyer has said that the prosecution would still have to prove she knowingly adopted stolen children.
Under military rule, babies were often given to families considered loyal to the regime.
The Grandmothers have identified dozens of children of people who disappeared during this time.
But some adopted children have said they would rather not know their origins, especially if the information implicates their adoptive parents in illegal acts.