Could Madeleine McCann still be alive and well after 8 years?

[Brietta]

Let's start with Point 4. Are they removing Madeleine's tongue? How could they pass her off as their own?

When Madeleine vanished she was three ... within a very short space of time it is possible she could have been communicating in a different language.  Today, she may not speak or understand English.

[pathfinder73]

When Madeleine vanished she was three ... within a very short space of time it is possible she could have been communicating in a different language.  Today, she may not speak or understand English.

She was a week off turning 4. She knew who she was, her beloved Everton football team and her family and friends. How are they going to pass her off as their own?

[jassi]

Certainly she would need to be in some isolated area, away from other people for quite a long time while she was indoctrinated.  This is one reason why her younger sibling would have been a much better choice - no longer a baby, but still young enough to easily adapt to a new life

[ShiningInLuz]

Let's start with Point 4. Are they removing Madeleine's tongue? How could they pass her off as their own?

My grandson spent 1 year in preschool here.  The staff only speak to the children in Portuguese.  Well within that 12 months he became fluent in Portuguese.  He now speaks English to the English speakers he knows, and Portuguese to those he knows to be fluent in Portuguese.

Those who read my blog will be aware of something I find to be quite curious.  My granddaughter is back in England now and on Tuesday just passed, she started an intensive driving instruction course, spending 3hrs per day driving.  She's loving it.  Knowing a fair bit about the brain, I would have predicted this was an awful way to learn anything, but it seems the plasticity of her brain at her age has proved me wrong.

Bear in mind that although we know Madeleine was nearly 4, her age in the relevant record showed she would be 3 when left Portugal.  From various bits and pieces of evidence, I believe Madeleine was small for her age.  (K & G both ended up with a height of 90cm, which is not small, but extremely small, though I think there is an innocent explanation for this.)  To someone assessing the situation, she looks much nearer the 3 end of the spectrum than the 4 end.

That means her ability to pick up a new language would be excellent.  And all you have to do with English is never speak it to her, and that ability should fade quite rapidly.

Getting a near 4 year old child would be a somewhat tougher proposition, but I doubt someone paying for and risking this exercise would dump the child to start again.

[John]

My grandson spent 1 year in preschool here.  The staff only speak to the children in Portuguese.  Well within that 12 months he became fluent in Portuguese.  He now speaks English to the English speakers he knows, and Portuguese to those he knows to be fluent in Portuguese.

Those who read my blog will be aware of something I find to be quite curious.  My granddaughter is back in England now and on Tuesday just passed, she started an intensive driving instruction course, spending 3hrs per day driving.  She's loving it.  Knowing a fair bit about the brain, I would have predicted this was an awful way to learn anything, but it seems the plasticity of her brain at her age has proved me wrong.

Bear in mind that although we know Madeleine was nearly 4, her age in the relevant record showed she would be 3 when left Portugal.  From various bits and pieces of evidence, I believe Madeleine was small for her age.  (K & G both ended up with a height of 90cm, which is not small, but extremely small, though I think there is an innocent explanation for this.)  To someone assessing the situation, she looks much nearer the 3 end of the spectrum than the 4 end.

That means her ability to pick up a new language would be excellent.  And all you have to do with English is never speak it to her, and that ability should fade quite rapidly.

Getting a near 4 year old child would be a somewhat tougher proposition, but I doubt someone paying for and risking this exercise would dump the child to start again.

This is something which has always puzzled me, why take the older child when a younger one was available ?  Assuming she was taken I can only see one reason for doing so.

[pathfinder73]

I will repeat it again, how are they going to get pass her off as their own in 2007? I'm not talking about years later.

p.s. Madeleine is taller than 90cms. You shouldn't believe what they tell you. The alerted red plane top was for 98cm height.



3. A childrens T-Shirt, red, with aeroplane motifs, NEXT, for the age 2-3, length 98 cms.



http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CLOTHES.htm

[ShiningInLuz]

This is something which has always puzzled me, why take the older child when a younger one was available ?  Assuming she was taken I can only see one reason for doing so.

The twins were on record as 2, but aged 2 and a quarter, IIRC.  My question would therefore be to look at this the other way round.

Why take a child of 2 and a quarter, or seemingly early 3, when there were plenty of babies around?  Why not take someone with much fewer memories, was unable to or could barely speak, who was still at the imprint on carers stage, and who would forget her name easily?

If it is a pre-planned abduction, and bearing in mind I am describing a scenario in which Madeleine could be both alive and well, then it seems to suggest that a 3 year old was ordered.  Or that photos of many children were taken going to high tea and leaving high tea, and that a selection was made at that time.

8 children with the Tapas 9, all under 4, 7 of them girls. Many other female children under 4.  There was a lot to pick from.  Perhaps Madeleine just drew the short straw.

[G-Unit]

I still find it difficult to understand when it was done if the timeline has been reported correctly. Crimewatch 2013 moved the time on to after Matthew Oldfield's visit, but ignored the movements of Tanner and O'Brien during that period. Either of them could have emerged from their apartment at any moment. Very risky imo.

[ShiningInLuz]

I still find it difficult to understand when it was done if the timeline has been reported correctly. Crimewatch 2013 moved the time on to after Matthew Oldfield's visit, but ignored the movements of Tanner and O'Brien during that period. Either of them could have emerged from their apartment at any moment. Very risky imo.

Either the McCanns did it - risky - or the McCanns did not do it - risky.

Try finding an instance where someone got up in the middle of mains because a timed check was necessary.  Jane T on 3 May does not count.  She ate her main hurriedly, then went off to replace her partner.

If the checks were timed rigorously, it permits one pattern of window of opportunity.  Risky because the T6 were buzzing around like flies.

If the checks hinge around - placing orders - eating starters - eating mains - it becomes much less risky.  Wait until mains are being served, and you are in a low risk window of opportunity.  And in advance, yes Jane and partner raise the risk, but in this scenario you are conducting a serious criminal act, therefore risky.

[stephen25000]

In my opinion ... a heinous crime has been committed. 

That boils down to ... crime = victim = perpetrator = investigation.

Almost nine years ago a crime was committed in Luz and the investigation into it was botched.

Now that botched investigation into the crime is reactivated ... live lines of inquiry are being worked.  Hopefully it will eventually be revealed what happened to the victim of the crime which took place all those years ago.

For me the following positives may occur

• perpetrators may be apprehended and brought to justice
• what happened to Madeleine McCann revealed

The biggest bonus of all would most certainly be the safe recovery of a living child, which is what I hope for.  Others can hope for whatever suits them ... that is very much a decision for them.

At the least, should it be proved that Madeleine has been murdered; her remains recovered and returned to her family to enable them to have closure.

Apart from Madeleine's parents' inalienable right to the presumption of innocence ~ apart from the thorough 'going over' given by the Amaral and Rebelo investigations both of which looked into their every move ~ I do not have the arrogance which demands that strangers are somehow answerable to me.

Nor do I have a mindset which would allow me to join a gang with a purpose of heaping from afar, misery on people who have suffered a surfeit of it when their daughter was taken from them.

My conscience dictates that I do not attack the innocent and injured and I tend to leave investigations to those best qualified to conduct them.

It is also worth bearing in mind that without her parents' enduring efforts Madeleine's case would not be under way at the moment.  That constitutes "justice" and it was action that achieved it to this stage ... not bleating about it.

Your belief Brietta is not backed up by evidence.

As I have said before, this crime, if any occurred, will in all probability remain unsolved.

[pathfinder73]

There was only one check performed that night when it was safe to remove a child without being seen because the other 8 were sat at the table.

[ShiningInLuz]

I will repeat it again, how are they going to get pass her off as their own in 2007? I'm not talking about years later.

p.s. Madeleine is taller than 90cms. You shouldn't believe what they tell you. The alerted red plane top was for 98cm height.



3. A childrens T-Shirt, red, with aeroplane motifs, NEXT, for the age 2-3, length 98 cms.



http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CLOTHES.htm

Why do they have to pass her off as their own in 2007?

[jassi]

Unless she was kept in isolation, eg hidden in an orphanage, or on a remote farm, or some such,she would be likely to come into contact with people who might be aware of her disappearance.

[Alice Purjorick]

My grandson spent 1 year in preschool here.  The staff only speak to the children in Portuguese.  Well within that 12 months he became fluent in Portuguese.  He now speaks English to the English speakers he knows, and Portuguese to those he knows to be fluent in Portuguese.

Those who read my blog will be aware of something I find to be quite curious.  My granddaughter is back in England now and on Tuesday just passed, she started an intensive driving instruction course, spending 3hrs per day driving.  She's loving it.  Knowing a fair bit about the brain, I would have predicted this was an awful way to learn anything, but it seems the plasticity of her brain at her age has proved me wrong.

Bear in mind that although we know Madeleine was nearly 4, her age in the relevant record showed she would be 3 when left Portugal.  From various bits and pieces of evidence, I believe Madeleine was small for her age.  (K & G both ended up with a height of 90cm, which is not small, but extremely small, though I think there is an innocent explanation for this.) To someone assessing the situation, she looks much nearer the 3 end of the spectrum than the 4 end.

That means her ability to pick up a new language would be excellent.  And all you have to do with English is never speak it to her, and that ability should fade quite rapidly.

Getting a near 4 year old child would be a somewhat tougher proposition, but I doubt someone paying for and risking this exercise would dump the child to start again.

Her size fits into accepted and commonly quoted ranges ie 880mm to 1016 mm. If she is within the range that's good enough. Where she is in the range is interesting maybe but that's about all, unless one is buying clothes for her.
I think if the proposition is that Madeleine was nicked to order then compiling an activity list and "staffing" it as a planned enterprise would be an eye opener to some.

[Brietta]

Unless she was kept in isolation, eg hidden in an orphanage, or on a remote farm, or some such,she would be likely to come into contact with people who might be aware of her disappearance.

Or she could be hidden in full sight particularly if she fitted existing legal documentation.