Kate McCann believes Madeleine is still in the Algarve.

[Carana]

Thank you for the backhanded compliment Sadie.

If Madeleine was abducted it was between 9.15pm and 10.55pm. The police were called at 10.41pm and the GNR arrived at 11pm. Your couple of 'golden hours' are nearly gone now. Any alert would have been issued by the PJ, who arrived much later. I would say 2am at the earliest, if they thought it fulfilled the criteria, which I doubt. Only those who had signed up would get an alert. Most of them would have been asleep by then. The following day the TV, newspapers, etc were full of it. If you want to believe it could have made a difference, feel free, I do not.

Yes and no.

The current alert system being promoted is for the UK, where the police can make decisions.

The situation is often more complicated in other countries, where different police forces may be involved, and any alert requires approval from a magistrate.

This doesn't seem to be just about potentially abducted toddlers - it could be a very drunk adolescent about to commit suicide somewhere in the vicinity.

Despite the bureaucratic complications, if an alert can be sent out quickly, not everyone will be asleep at even 2 am. Petrol station attendants, traffic police on motorways, those checking public cctv cameras, train / coach drivers, people who prefer to travel at night to avoid daytime traffic, people going home from a nightclub...

[G-Unit]

Madeleine was abducted between 9.35pm and 10.00pm

Matt ran to the receptionj and asked them to ring the police at 10.10pm - 10.15pm.  Reception messed up and it seems failed to ring the police until 10.41pm.            Hells bells! ....Approx 30 minutes wasted by reception!!!

Why not notify people who are signed up immediately the Police,[ what ever branch], are notified?

Grab those golden hours.


Given immediate action by reception, then as soon as they heard about it a simple alert could have been given out within five minutes, by 10.20pm.  Lots of people would have caught the message then ... and memories would be fresh. 

Many more would have turned out for the search and people along the route she travelled would have properly LOOKED out... registered anything they saw and notified the police [if they dared ]

The receptionist never mentioned seeing Matthew (twice; 10,10pm and again later) or Gerald although both are said to have gone there. He phoned when asked to by the Manager, John Hill.

The alerts in the UK are not issued when a phone call is received, so that's just wishful thinking/fantasy on your part.

[sadie]

The receptionist never mentioned seeing Matthew (twice; 10,10pm and again later) or Gerald although both are said to have gone there. He phoned when asked to by the Manager, John Hill.

The alerts in the UK are not issued when a phone call is received, so that's just wishful thinking/fantasy on your part.

With such a major error, did they have tio cover their backs?

Had reception taken notice and done the right thing, who knows what the golden hours might have produced?

Especially had the Alert system been in effect.

[Alfred R Jones]

So the McCann's believe Madeleine is still in the Algarve. What possible difference could a child rescue alert have made in her case therefore? Half an hour after she was discovered missing people were out searching the town. The following day the world was informed by the media. Without needing to sign up to an alert system, everyone in the Algarve knew about the child by the following day. Being told by text the night before would have achieved nothing. Would all residents of the Algarve rushed out of their homes at midnight and started searching around? Of course not, they would have done what they did; keep their eyes open during the following days.

What nonsense.  What evidence do you have that in less than 24 hours the whole of the Algarve knew that a little English girl was missing or what she looked like?

[G-Unit]

With such a major error, did they have tio cover their backs?

Had reception taken notice and done the right thing, who knows what the golden hours might have produced?

Especially had the Alert system been in effect.

Why do you assume the receptionist was as fault? Do you have any evidence to support that assertion?

[Brietta]

MORGAN: Do you both 100 percent believe she's still alive? Or do you have to believe that?

K. MCCANN: I don't think -- I don't think we can say 100 percent. I mean, you know, we're realistic. We know that there is a chance that she may not be alive. But what we do know is there's a very good chance that she's alive. And there's certainly nothing to suggest otherwise.

And as you know, as well as many children who are found years down the line, they could have been written off, you know. And then they were found. So it would be wrong -- you know, it is wrong to give up on children who are still missing.
http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1105/11/pmt.01.html


In the absence of any evidence whatsoever to the contrary ... Madeleine deserves the assumption that she is alive and may be recovered.  Until such time as Scotland Yard and the Policia Judiciaria come to the end of the leads they are presently following the investigation should continue unimpeded.

[G-Unit]

MORGAN: Do you both 100 percent believe she's still alive? Or do you have to believe that?

K. MCCANN: I don't think -- I don't think we can say 100 percent. I mean, you know, we're realistic. We know that there is a chance that she may not be alive. But what we do know is there's a very good chance that she's alive. And there's certainly nothing to suggest otherwise.

And as you know, as well as many children who are found years down the line, they could have been written off, you know. And then they were found. So it would be wrong -- you know, it is wrong to give up on children who are still missing.
http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1105/11/pmt.01.html


In the absence of any evidence whatsoever to the contrary ... Madeleine deserves the assumption that she is alive and may be recovered.  Until such time as Scotland Yard and the Policia Judiciaria come to the end of the leads they are presently following the investigation should continue unimpeded.

There's no evidence that the child is dead, but there's things that suggest she is. Wrong word chosen.

[ShiningInLuz]

What nonsense.  What evidence do you have that in less than 24 hours the whole of the Algarve knew that a little English girl was missing or what she looked like?

There is no evidence that 'the whole of the Algarve' knew...

There is no evidence that an Amber alert would have put the whole of the Algarve on lookout within 24 hours.

I wasn't here at the time of the incident.  I look at the news infrequently.  I have not signed up to the Amber alert scheme, in fact, I'm not sure that I have the facilities to do so.  Unless someone banged on my door, I probably wouldn't find out until later, but I am not in a prime location to intercept nefarious deeds in such an incident.

Who knows whether it would have made a difference or not?  Aside from whoever 'dunnit'?

[Alfred R Jones]

There is no evidence that 'the whole of the Algarve' knew...

There is no evidence that an Amber alert would have put the whole of the Algarve on lookout within 24 hours.

I wasn't here at the time of the incident.  I look at the news infrequently.  I have not signed up to the Amber alert scheme, in fact, I'm not sure that I have the facilities to do so.  Unless someone banged on my door, I probably wouldn't find out until later, but I am not in a prime location to intercept nefarious deeds in such an incident.

Who knows whether it would have made a difference or not?  Aside from whoever 'dunnit'?

Not having it certainly wouldn't change anything, having it might, no guarantees, but surely something is better than nothing? 

[ShiningInLuz]

Not having it certainly wouldn't change anything, having it might, no guarantees, but surely something is better than nothing?

Something always costs something, it does not come free.

I am not quite sure why this topic is haggling about a system that did not exist within Portugal at that time, and might or might not have made a difference.

It is roughly like me positing that if everyone on the Algarve had been taught A-level English, then it might or might not have made a difference.

Might.  Might not.  Relevance?

[Admin]

I have reallocated the above posts to this new thread.

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[Miss Taken Identity]

MORGAN: Do you both 100 percent believe she's still alive? Or do you have to believe that?

K. MCCANN: I don't think -- I don't think we can say 100 percent. I mean, you know, we're realistic. We know that there is a chance that she may not be alive. But what we do know is there's a very good chance that she's alive. And there's certainly nothing to suggest otherwise.

And as you know, as well as many children who are found years down the line, they could have been written off, you know. And then they were found. So it would be wrong -- you know, it is wrong to give up on children who are still missing.
http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1105/11/pmt.01.html


In the absence of any evidence whatsoever to the contrary ... Madeleine deserves the assumption that she is alive and may be recovered.  Until such time as Scotland Yard and the Policia Judiciaria come to the end of the leads they are presently following the investigation should continue unimpeded.

Doctors were never any good at analysing their stats in fact they truly dread being held to account if the figures don't add up...So what we have is a situation to talk up what they 'believe' and what they want to believe to what the actual chances are- reading their analysis.

"We know that there is a chance that she may not be alive".
They are suggesting there is only ONE chance she may be dead ( not suggesting a belief- but seem to be stating from 'facts', information gathered, experience etc...

AND  THEN

"But what we do know is there's a very good chance that she's alive".

What do they know, and why is there  a very good chance of her being alive than being a very good chance of
her being dead?

There is a difference in both statements for a reason. Let's look at them saying I know there is a 50/50 chance of her being dead and same for being alive! seems acceptable for armatures,  what DO they know that would make them give a positive nay VERY positive statement saying what they do know is....

It is understandable for any parent of a missing child to not want them to be dead- in their heads they can create scenarios to comfort them. I would be exactly the same- shut out the nasty negative thoughts for my own personal confort, as  any truth in my child being brutally murdered/raped/tortured would be unbearable.

The problem I have with the McCanns is:  they make money from"The search for  Maddie being found" and if she is found dead having been tortured/raped/murdered then their halo would never sit right again...Hence why they are hated by so many people. And supporters try to mask this for their own agenda. Always chasing the story ,always protecting their reputation.

They can make believe what they like, but to try and sell their belief as statistically accurate is a bit too much for some.

And if they think their child is still in that place, why did they leave? and why not go back and actualy look for her themselves - with the tapas crew?