Wandering Off Topic

[Vertigo Swirl]

In case anyone is wondering why I am not responding to Spam (spam by name and by nature), it?s because I?m not feeding the troll who when backed into a corner resorts to namecalling and insults with tiresome regularity.  Happy to debate with anyone else however.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Could this then be a false memory of Aiofe, having seen him in the trousers on TV or in the paper?

Could be, but then again she disagreed with her Dad that the man was Gerry, so a moot point.  She didn?t definitely see buttons only thought 3 weeks later there might have been buttons.  Not what you?d call damning evidence is it?

[Wonderfulspam]

Could this then be a false memory of Aiofe, having seen him in the trousers on TV or in the paper?

Could be? Or, when you put the rest of the details together, like the evidence the alarm was raised shortly before 10pm & the evidence Gerry goes off searching alone, & the evidence Smithmans child, closely matching Madeleine's description (except dressed in the long sleeve pyjamas Kate was conveniently wishing she'd been dressed in), was visibly disabled, around the time Madeleine was suspected to be dead & an abduction being staged. When you put all them little little pieces together it paints a certain picture really doesn't it. That simply doesn't implicate Christian Brueckner.

[Wonderfulspam]

In case anyone is wondering why I am not responding to Spam (spam by name and by nature), it?s because I?m not feeding the troll who when backed into a corner resorts to namecalling and insults with tiresome regularity.  Happy to debate with anyone else however.

I haven't insulted you in days. You simply can't answer what time the alarm was raised.

[Uncle Jr]

Could be? Or, when you put the rest of the details together, like the evidence the alarm was raised shortly before 10pm & the evidence Gerry goes off searching alone, & the evidence Smithmans child, closely matching Madeleine's description (except dressed in the long sleeve pyjamas Kate was conveniently wishing she'd been dressed in), was visibly disabled, around the time Madeleine was suspected to be dead & an abduction being staged. When you put all them little little pieces together it paints a certain picture really doesn't it. That simply doesn't implicate Christian Brueckner.

Who else described the 'distinctive' trousers and when?

[Wonderfulspam]

Who else described the 'distinctive' trousers and when?

? No one. Aoife recalled possibly with button trousers but 4 weeks after the event. There were no pictures of Mr McCann wearing possibly with button trousers in the media before them 40 days. It's just a terribly unfortunate coincidence. Same as Smithman's child looking rather unwell at around the same time Maddie was suspected to be dead.

[Wonderfulspam]

The real troll on this forum is VS. She wants to pick apart other peoples theories but then won't answer very simple questions if those question can lead to an unpopular conclusion.

[Uncle Jr]

? No one. Aoife recalled possibly with button trousers but 4 weeks after the event. There were no pictures of Mr McCann wearing possibly with button trousers in the media before them 40 days. It's just a terribly unfortunate coincidence. Same as Smithman's child looking rather unwell at around the same time Maddie was suspected to be dead.

I think we can dismiss the 'buttons' to be honest. There's every chance she saw video or pictures of Gerry in between the fateful night and the day on whcih the statements were taken, as the family must have discussed the sighting prior to reporting it. There's every chance they actively sought oiut such material to confirm their suspicions.

[Wonderfulspam]

I think we can dismiss the 'buttons' to be honest. There's every chance she saw video or pictures of Gerry in between the fateful night and the day on whcih the statements were taken, as the family must have discussed the sighting prior to reporting it. There's every chance they actively sought oiut such material to confirm their suspicions.

Well I've seen no evidence at all that Mr Mccann was pictured wearing button trousers in the media before 40 days. You're welcome to dismiss inconvenient coincidence if it helps reinforce your belief. Me, I like to assess evidence then judge the overall picture. There's evidence to suggest the alarm was raised before 10pm, Mr Mccann went off searching, then aound this same time period the Smith family happened to encounter this coincidentally trousered man.

[Uncle Jr]

Well I've seen no evidence at all that Mr Mccann was pictured wearing button trousers in the media before 40 days. You're welcome to dismiss inconvenient coincidence if it helps reinforce your belief. Me, I like to assess evidence then judge the overall picture. There's evidence to suggest the alarm was raised before 10pm, Mr Mccann went off searching, then aound this same time period the Smith family happened to encounter this coincidentally trousered man.

Just because you haven't seen evidence of Gerry wearing said trousers does not mean anyone else else hadn't, including the Smiths. I'd suggest, in such a situation where one's wardrobe would be extremely limited, it would be surprising if he wasn't wearing them occasionally, particularly given that nobody was looking for the distinctive trousers until much later.

[Wonderfulspam]

Just because you haven't seen evidence of Gerry wearing said trousers does not mean anyone else else hadn't, including the Smiths. I'd suggest, in such a situation where one's wardrobe would be extremely limited, it would be surprising if he wasn't wearing them occasionally, particularly given that nobody was looking for the distinctive trousers until much later.

But why on earth would Aoife, who didn't believe Gerry was the man she saw, have looked at Mr McCanns trousers on TV, then included that specific detail in her witness testimony, when there was nothing at that time to suggest Mr McCann was the man her family saw? That doesn't make any sense.

[Eleanor]

But why on earth would Aoife, who didn't believe Gerry was the man she saw, have looked at Mr McCanns trousers on TV, then included that specific detail in her witness testimony, when there was nothing at that time to suggest Mr McCann was the man her family saw? That doesn't make any sense.

Nor do you most of the time. Mostly just unconfirmed rubbish twisted to suit whatever you think you are up to.

[Wonderfulspam]

Nor do you most of the time. Mostly just unconfirmed rubbish twisted to suit whatever you think you are up to.

Oh dear. Can you tell me what time the alarm was raised, Eleanor? Where exactly Gerry went searching at all? Can you contribute something to the forum that doesn't involve insults?

[Uncle Jr]

But why on earth would Aoife, who didn't believe Gerry was the man she saw, have looked at Mr McCanns trousers on TV, then included that specific detail in her witness testimony, when there was nothing at that time to suggest Mr McCann was the man her family saw? That doesn't make any sense.

Suggestion. The patriarch of the family was 60-80% sure, and I'm sure they discussed the whole episode at length as a family before reporting it, given the magnitude of that action. She was a child, eager to please, and may have seen an image of Gerry wearing them.

It's fragile evidence and can be placed firmly in the 'tenuous' pigeon hole, along with the telephone data and the transfer of vehicle ownership.

Your pointing to the loose timeline is more significant, as is the Smith sighting itself. The trousers, not so much.

[Wonderfulspam]

Suggestion. The patriarch of the family was 60-80% sure, and I'm sure they discussed the whole episode at length as a family before reporting it, given the magnitude of that action. She was a child, eager to please, and may have seen an image of Gerry wearing them.

It's fragile evidence and can be placed firmly in the 'tenuous' pigeon hole, along with the telephone data and the transfer of vehicle ownership.

Your pointing to the loose timeline is more significant, as is the Smith sighting itself. The trousers, not so much.

No. The ID of Gerry didn't come until months later. Aoife identified possibly with buttons in her initial statement 4 weeks after the event. So the family couldn't have influenced her to include possibly with buttons in her statement to implicate Gerry, because they didn't even believe at that point that they'd seen him.