Wandering Off Topic

[Angelo222]

No problem Sadie

That's nice 

[Lace]

How about between 5.30pm and 8.30pm?

What is supposed to have happened?   If Madeleine had an accident Kate was there to help her,  there would be no need for a cover up.  Dave saw the children when he looked in on Kate,  I see no reason why he would lie.   Are you suggesting either Gerry or Kate did something to Madeleine?   So then what?   Hid her somewhere?   They still wouldn't have been able to behave normally,  going to dinner [the first there] eating and laughing with friends.  It was their daughter for whom they loved and cherished for almost four years.

[jassi]

What is supposed to have happened?   If Madeleine had an accident Kate was there to help her,  there would be no need for a cover up.  Dave saw the children when he looked in on Kate,  I see no reason why he would lie.   Are you suggesting either Gerry or Kate did something to Madeleine?   So then what?   Hid her somewhere?   They still wouldn't have been able to behave normally,  going to dinner [the first there] eating and laughing with friends.  It was their daughter for whom they loved and cherished for almost four years.

Would any answer to this  not be considered libel on here ?

[Lace]

I'm asking what would be a motive for a cover up if one or both parents were there.  Covering up an accident can be ruled out can it not?  Unless you can explain why an accident which happens in the presence of a parent would result in them deciding it was necessary to cover it up.  What sort of an accident would it be that resulted in near instantaneous death that would reflect so badly on the parent(s) present that hiding the accident from the authorities would be preferable?   And then we have to consider how two parents could conspire to hatch a cover up plot and then go out to dinner seemingly both completely relaxed and untroubled, leaving their dead child in an unlocked apartment, quite happy for their friends to go and check on her and her siblings in their beds.  Unless you think Madeleine wasn't left in her bed but stuffed behind the sofa instead?  Which might look a bit strange to anyone checking on the kids well-being, unless of course the friends had been briefed that Madeleine was actually dead so don't be too alarmed that she's not in bed but behind the sofa?

Well said VS.   

[Lace]

Would any answer to this  not be considered libel on here ?

I don't know,  I can't keep up with what's libel or not.   How can you debate if you can't answer how you want to?  Unless you put IMO I suppose.

[Angelo222]

What is supposed to have happened?   If Madeleine had an accident Kate was there to help her,  there would be no need for a cover up.  Dave saw the children when he looked in on Kate,  I see no reason why he would lie.   Are you suggesting either Gerry or Kate did something to Madeleine?   So then what?   Hid her somewhere?   They still wouldn't have been able to behave normally,  going to dinner [the first there] eating and laughing with friends.  It was their daughter for whom they loved and cherished for almost four years.

It's all very odd, there is an eyewitness who supposedly saw Gerry carrying a child in his arms at 10pm and then we have the tapas group who say he was sat at the dining table with them at that time. One explanation for this is that there was a doppelganger in town.

Question is, did the child think the doppelganger was her father so wasn't afraid and didn't cry out?

[Lace]

It's all very odd, there is an eyewitness who supposedly saw Gerry carrying a child in his arms at 10pm and then we have the tapas group who say he was sat at the dining table with them at that time. The only explanation for this is that there was a doppelganger in town.

Smith didn't say he saw Gerry.   Gerry was sat at the table at 10'clock   Kate came running in and said 'Madeleine's gone Gerry'.    So unless she was talking to a cardboard cut out of Gerry he was there.

[Angelo222]

Smith didn't say he saw Gerry.   Gerry was sat at the table at 10'clock   Kate came running in and said 'Madeleine's gone Gerry'.    So unless she was talking to a cardboard cut out of Gerry he was there.

Well yes he did and so much so he went to the police about it. And even days later he was sure enough for him and the missus to make statements about it.

Do you think he is a fool or what?

ETA. The cardboard cutout must have been carrying the child then.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Well yes he did and so much so he went to the police about it. And even days later he was sure enough for him and the missus to make statements about it.

Do you think he is a fool or what?

ETA. The cardboard cutout must have been carrying the child then.

He only decided it was Gerry months later (and then only 60-80%).  I think he was simply mistaken, not a fool.

[sadie]

Interesting history Sadie but not very relevant imo.

Ah, but you are not a slueth, Angelo.   And you haven't found any connections to Templars with trafficking like I have .  And Bruces strong connections to the Templars.; they adored and supported him and he gave them land in Scotland.

And then, of course, Molenbeek St John, being the land of Robert de Brus (Bruce).   This is where all the hemp grown in The Rif Mountains is procesessed into Cannabis etc and redistributed around the world


I bet that several slueths on here can see connections even if you cannot.


P.S.  Why did you take your post down about sadie and Jesus ?   And wrong foot me?

[Angelo222]

He only decided it was Gerry months later (and then only 60-80%).  I think he was simply mistaken, not a fool.

It was the picture of Gerry carrying one of the children down the aircraft steps which persuaded him of who it was they had encountered the night Maddie disappeared. He must have been darn sure to phone the police about such a serious matter.

[Angelo222]

Ah, but you are not a slueth, Angelo.   And you haven't found any connections to Templars with trafficking like I have .  And Bruces strong connections to the Templars.; they adored and supported him and he gave them land in Scotland.

And then, of course, Molenbeek St John, being the land of Robert de Brus (Bruce).   This is where all the hemp grown in The Rif Mountains is procesessed into Cannabis etc and redistributed around the world


I bet that several slueths on here can see connections even if you cannot.


P.S.  Why did you take your post down about sadie and Jesus ?   And wrong foot me?

I believe we have done the Morocco connection to death Sadie. You even thought the two little Berber girls were Maddie and Joana so I think your sleuthing days are gone.  With respect Sadie, that is poor judgement imo.

ETA. I have been away for weeks so when did I ever mention you and Jesus?

[Lace]

Well yes he did and so much so he went to the police about it. And even days later he was sure enough for him and the missus to make statements about it.

Do you think he is a fool or what?

ETA. The cardboard cutout must have been carrying the child then.

No I don't think he is a fool.   I think he was very worried as Amaral was pointing to the McCanns as the suspects.   He saw Gerry walking down the steps with Sean asleep in his arms and he remembered that is how he saw the man carrying the child he said he was 60/80% sure.   Even though  millions of people carry their children down the steps from a plane exactly the same way, Amaral jumped on this and said Smith had portrayed Gerry as the person he saw.   Gerry was at the Tapas Bar.   Thankfully other Police forces have obviously not taken this information seriously.

[Angelo222]

No I don't think he is a fool.   I think he was very worried as Amaral was pointing to the McCanns as the suspects.   He saw Gerry walking down the steps with Sean asleep in his arms and he remembered that is how he saw the man carrying the child he said he was 60/80% sure.   Even though  millions of people carry their children down the steps from a plane exactly the same way, Amaral jumped on this and said Smith had portrayed Gerry as the person he saw.   Gerry was at the Tapas Bar.   Thankfully other Police forces have obviously not taken this information seriously.

Don't blame Gonc for what happened, he had left by then.

[faithlilly]

The other explanation was that its a Portuguese investigation and they decide who and who cannot be questioned in Portugal. The officer didn't mention the McCanns to Sutton

With the remit and Sutton’s claim it doesn’t take much working out though.