Wandering Off Topic

[ShiningInLuz]

That was written in the immediate aftermath of the McCanns being made arguidos.  Even I assumed the PJ must have had SOME grounds for their suspicions.  Turns out there were none and as it turned out the PJ did make a mess of their enquiries so....

IYO.

If there were no grounds for suspicion, they would have been interviewed as witnesses, not arguidos.

[slartibartfast]

There also appears to be a curious anti-British undercurrent from Brits who doubt the McCanns, who also seem quite defensive of even the slightest criticism directed at anything Portuguese.

Please provide a cite for that or delete.

[Brietta]

That was written in the immediate aftermath of the McCanns being made arguidos.  Even I assumed the PJ must have had SOME grounds for their suspicions.  Turns out there were none and as it turned out the PJ did make a mess of their enquiries so....

Police 'rushed Madeleine McCann case'
By Fiona Govan in Praia da Luz5:01PM GMT 05 Dec 2007
Madeleine McCann’s parents might have been spared the anguish of being named suspects over her disappearance if Portuguese police had not rushed their case through before a change in the law, it has been claimed.

Kate and Gerry McCann were made arguidos - formal suspects - just eight days before new legal measures were introduced which would have required firmer evidence against them.

The couple’s Portuguese lawyer has claimed that detectives may have deliberately fast-tracked the investigation to ensure they were put in the frame.

Investigators named the McCanns, both 39, as arguidos on September 7 after allegedly finding microscopic traces of blood in their holiday apartment and "bodily fluids" they thought could have belonged to Madeleine in the boot of their hire car.

Carlos Pinto de Abreu, a Portuguese lawyer on the McCanns’ defence team, said that under Portugal’s new penal code, police must have more than just suspicions to make somebody an arguido.

"On September 15 a new procedural penal code was introduced making it necessary for there to be evidence against the citizen before they could be made an arguido.

"Before this date it wasn’t necessary. You could be made an arguido without actual evidence against you," he said.

"Maybe that is why the investigation took the turn it did - why they were named arguidos eight days before the new laws came in," said Mr Pinto de Abreu.

His comments followed those of Fernando Jose Pinto Monteiro, Portugal’s Attorney General, who recently admitted the McCanns may not have been made suspects under the new laws.

"At the time when the McCanns were made 'arguidos' the law did not demand justified suspicions. I do not know if they would be (arguidos) in light of the new Code," he said in an interview with the Portuguese magazine Visao.

Clarence Mitchell, the official spokesman of the McCanns, said he hoped the introduction of the new law would work in their favour.

"Being declared arguidos almost three months ago caused the McCanns’ immense anguish and continues to do so," he said.

"To think they could have been saved that under a law introduced only days later makes a mockery of the case against them.

"They are entirely innocent victims of a horrible crime that has taken away their daughter and they want to be cleared as soon as possible so the focus can return to finding Madeleine.

"If it is true that changes to the law would have meant that they would not have been made arguidos that’s all the more reason for their status to be dropped now.

"Regardless of any changes in the law they should be eliminated forthwith from the inquiry."

Portuguese police were told last week that forensic results requested from Birmingham’s Forensic Science Service had so far proved "inconclusive".

They plan to travel to Britain next week to re-interview the McCanns and the seven friends who dined with them at the Tapas restaurant on the night of May 3, when Madeleine went missing from the holiday apartment in Praia da Luz.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1571699/Police-rushed-Madeleine-McCann-case.html


I think this is one of the most heartbreaking newspaper articles concerning the propaganda war (which I believe was waged unrelentingly against Kate and Gerry McCann) from the first headline of "A badly told story" to alleged drunkenness to alleged swinging to alleged drugging their children right up to becoming official suspects in Madeleine's disappearance.
All of it unwarranted but all of it still hanging around like a bad smell at a remove of eleven years  as far some are concerned

[kizzy]

Police 'rushed Madeleine McCann case'
By Fiona Govan in Praia da Luz5:01PM GMT 05 Dec 2007
Madeleine McCann’s parents might have been spared the anguish of being named suspects over her disappearance if Portuguese police had not rushed their case through before a change in the law, it has been claimed.

Kate and Gerry McCann were made arguidos - formal suspects - just eight days before new legal measures were introduced which would have required firmer evidence against them.

The couple’s Portuguese lawyer has claimed that detectives may have deliberately fast-tracked the investigation to ensure they were put in the frame.

Investigators named the McCanns, both 39, as arguidos on September 7 after allegedly finding microscopic traces of blood in their holiday apartment and "bodily fluids" they thought could have belonged to Madeleine in the boot of their hire car.

Carlos Pinto de Abreu, a Portuguese lawyer on the McCanns’ defence team, said that under Portugal’s new penal code, police must have more than just suspicions to make somebody an arguido.

"On September 15 a new procedural penal code was introduced making it necessary for there to be evidence against the citizen before they could be made an arguido.

"Before this date it wasn’t necessary. You could be made an arguido without actual evidence against you," he said.

"Maybe that is why the investigation took the turn it did - why they were named arguidos eight days before the new laws came in," said Mr Pinto de Abreu.

His comments followed those of Fernando Jose Pinto Monteiro, Portugal’s Attorney General, who recently admitted the McCanns may not have been made suspects under the new laws.

"At the time when the McCanns were made 'arguidos' the law did not demand justified suspicions. I do not know if they would be (arguidos) in light of the new Code," he said in an interview with the Portuguese magazine Visao.

Clarence Mitchell, the official spokesman of the McCanns, said he hoped the introduction of the new law would work in their favour.

"Being declared arguidos almost three months ago caused the McCanns’ immense anguish and continues to do so," he said.

"To think they could have been saved that under a law introduced only days later makes a mockery of the case against them.

"They are entirely innocent victims of a horrible crime that has taken away their daughter and they want to be cleared as soon as possible so the focus can return to finding Madeleine.

"If it is true that changes to the law would have meant that they would not have been made arguidos that’s all the more reason for their status to be dropped now.

"Regardless of any changes in the law they should be eliminated forthwith from the inquiry."

Portuguese police were told last week that forensic results requested from Birmingham’s Forensic Science Service had so far proved "inconclusive".

They plan to travel to Britain next week to re-interview the McCanns and the seven friends who dined with them at the Tapas restaurant on the night of May 3, when Madeleine went missing from the holiday apartment in Praia da Luz.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1571699/Police-rushed-Madeleine-McCann-case.html


I think this is one of the most heartbreaking newspaper articles concerning the propaganda war (which I believe was waged unrelentingly against Kate and Gerry McCann) from the first headline of "A badly told story" to alleged drunkenness to alleged swinging to alleged drugging their children right up to becoming official suspects in Madeleine's disappearance.
All of it unwarranted but all of it still hanging around like a bad smell at a remove of eleven years  as far some are concerned

Portuguese detectives made the McCanns suspects in Maddie’s disappearance after taking advice from British police, it was claimed yesterday.

Cracker-style profiler Lee Rainbow – who worked on the Ipswich Ripper and Shannon Matthews cases – said officers should consider their possible involvement in the case, a court was told.

The National Policing Improvement Agency ( NPIA) expert wrote a report to Algarve police chiefs giving advice.

Details of the confidential report emerged during the final day of a libel trial involving former Portuguese detective Goncalo Amaral, who led the Maddie investigation.

Amaral is trying to overturn a worldwide injunction banning the publication of his book Maddie: The Truth of the Lie. In it he claims Kate and Gerry were involved in Maddie’s death and staged her disappearance. His lawyer, Antonio Cabrita, told the court Rainbow wrote: “It was Madeleine’s father who was the last one to see her alive.

“The family is a lead that should be followed. The contradictions in Gerald McCann’s statements might lead us to suspect a homicide.”

Cabrita added: “This report has never been published before but is part of the investigation.

On June 1st 2007 British police had the theory that Madeleine could be dead and the family could be involved.

“It was British police who said they must consider not only abduction but homicide as well.”

The NPIA provided a checklist of what should be done, advising the Portuguese police to include the McCanns in their inquiry and take new forensics at their holiday apartment in Praia da Luz.

Last night an NPIA spokesman said: “In disappearance cases it is common for the NPIA to advise investigating officers to consider the possibility of the involvement of family and close friends. The NPIA gave similar generic advice to the Portuguese police in the Madeleine McCann case.”

Meanwhile, Kate and Gerry launched criminal proceedings against Portuguese TV station TVI yesterday for repeating Amaral’s claims that Maddie is dead. A ruling in Amaral’s libel case is due to be made on February 18.

http://mccannexposure.wordpress.com/2010/02/11/brit-police-treat-the-mccanns-as-suspects/


But as we know they ruled in favor of GA ...and also revealed they were not cleared of any involvement 

[Erngath]

Police 'rushed Madeleine McCann case'
By Fiona Govan in Praia da Luz5:01PM GMT 05 Dec 2007
Madeleine McCann’s parents might have been spared the anguish of being named suspects over her disappearance if Portuguese police had not rushed their case through before a change in the law, it has been claimed.

Kate and Gerry McCann were made arguidos - formal suspects - just eight days before new legal measures were introduced which would have required firmer evidence against them.

The couple’s Portuguese lawyer has claimed that detectives may have deliberately fast-tracked the investigation to ensure they were put in the frame.

Investigators named the McCanns, both 39, as arguidos on September 7 after allegedly finding microscopic traces of blood in their holiday apartment and "bodily fluids" they thought could have belonged to Madeleine in the boot of their hire car.

Carlos Pinto de Abreu, a Portuguese lawyer on the McCanns’ defence team, said that under Portugal’s new penal code, police must have more than just suspicions to make somebody an arguido.

"On September 15 a new procedural penal code was introduced making it necessary for there to be evidence against the citizen before they could be made an arguido.

"Before this date it wasn’t necessary. You could be made an arguido without actual evidence against you," he said.

"Maybe that is why the investigation took the turn it did - why they were named arguidos eight days before the new laws came in," said Mr Pinto de Abreu.

His comments followed those of Fernando Jose Pinto Monteiro, Portugal’s Attorney General, who recently admitted the McCanns may not have been made suspects under the new laws.

"At the time when the McCanns were made 'arguidos' the law did not demand justified suspicions. I do not know if they would be (arguidos) in light of the new Code," he said in an interview with the Portuguese magazine Visao.

Clarence Mitchell, the official spokesman of the McCanns, said he hoped the introduction of the new law would work in their favour.

"Being declared arguidos almost three months ago caused the McCanns’ immense anguish and continues to do so," he said.

"To think they could have been saved that under a law introduced only days later makes a mockery of the case against them.

"They are entirely innocent victims of a horrible crime that has taken away their daughter and they want to be cleared as soon as possible so the focus can return to finding Madeleine.

"If it is true that changes to the law would have meant that they would not have been made arguidos that’s all the more reason for their status to be dropped now.

"Regardless of any changes in the law they should be eliminated forthwith from the inquiry."

Portuguese police were told last week that forensic results requested from Birmingham’s Forensic Science Service had so far proved "inconclusive".

They plan to travel to Britain next week to re-interview the McCanns and the seven friends who dined with them at the Tapas restaurant on the night of May 3, when Madeleine went missing from the holiday apartment in Praia da Luz.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1571699/Police-rushed-Madeleine-McCann-case.html


I think this is one of the most heartbreaking newspaper articles concerning the propaganda war (which I believe was waged unrelentingly against Kate and Gerry McCann) from the first headline of "A badly told story" to alleged drunkenness to alleged swinging to alleged drugging their children right up to becoming official suspects in Madeleine's disappearance.
All of it unwarranted but all of it still hanging around like a bad smell at a remove of eleven years  as far some are concerned

Well said

[Miss Taken Identity]

IMO That’s because you already disliked the woman before you even read the book and read it looking for anything to reinforce your bias.  Her “Tweedledee” comment, to those who read the book without the preconceived massive  bias against her, is a non-issue, which expresses little more than the frustration that Kate felt at the time at the seemingly slow to act or understand GNR, which given the situation was perfectly understandable, even if some choose to read it as unreasonable.

If you want people to read and learn anything from your posts regarding defending the McCanns and tapas group, it should not be very difficult to do so without personal attacks especially as you feel offence on behalf of the McCanns at every turn. Even to the point of bemoaning about certain threads and wanting to know (seek justification as if you have propriety over this case/forum) why are people asking questions etc.etc.

Justas a note in debating society... personal attacks are a sign you have lost your argument.

NUFF SAID! 

[G-Unit]

There also appears to be a curious anti-British undercurrent from Brits who doubt the McCanns, who also seem quite defensive of even the slightest criticism directed at anything Portuguese.

We're not discussing slight criticism, we're discussing a sustained attack on the people, representatives and institutions of another country by the British media and some British citizens. Anyone who believes in fair play would disassociate themselves from such behaviour in my opinion. It's not anti-British to do that, it's anti the uneducated and xenophobic elements in our society.

[Erngath]

If you want people to read and learn anything from your posts regarding defending the McCanns and tapas group, it should not be very difficult to do so without personal attacks especially as you feel offence on behalf of the McCanns at every turn. Even to the point of bemoaning about certain threads and wanting to know (seek justification as if you have propriety over this case/forum) why are people asking questions etc.etc.

Justas a note in debating society... personal attacks are a sigh you have lost your argument.

NUFF SAID! 

A very personal attack I M O

[Miss Taken Identity]

When was the last time anyone on here called you a McCann basher?

See the inference on post #2911 regarding who is bashing the McCanns- people who do not fall for their story as to what happened to their daughter.

[faithlilly]

A very personal attack I M O

You reap what you sow I suppose.

[faithlilly]

Police 'rushed Madeleine McCann case'
By Fiona Govan in Praia da Luz5:01PM GMT 05 Dec 2007
Madeleine McCann’s parents might have been spared the anguish of being named suspects over her disappearance if Portuguese police had not rushed their case through before a change in the law, it has been claimed.

Kate and Gerry McCann were made arguidos - formal suspects - just eight days before new legal measures were introduced which would have required firmer evidence against them.

The couple’s Portuguese lawyer has claimed that detectives may have deliberately fast-tracked the investigation to ensure they were put in the frame.

Investigators named the McCanns, both 39, as arguidos on September 7 after allegedly finding microscopic traces of blood in their holiday apartment and "bodily fluids" they thought could have belonged to Madeleine in the boot of their hire car.

Carlos Pinto de Abreu, a Portuguese lawyer on the McCanns’ defence team, said that under Portugal’s new penal code, police must have more than just suspicions to make somebody an arguido.

"On September 15 a new procedural penal code was introduced making it necessary for there to be evidence against the citizen before they could be made an arguido.

"Before this date it wasn’t necessary. You could be made an arguido without actual evidence against you," he said.

"Maybe that is why the investigation took the turn it did - why they were named arguidos eight days before the new laws came in," said Mr Pinto de Abreu.

His comments followed those of Fernando Jose Pinto Monteiro, Portugal’s Attorney General, who recently admitted the McCanns may not have been made suspects under the new laws.

"At the time when the McCanns were made 'arguidos' the law did not demand justified suspicions. I do not know if they would be (arguidos) in light of the new Code," he said in an interview with the Portuguese magazine Visao.

Clarence Mitchell, the official spokesman of the McCanns, said he hoped the introduction of the new law would work in their favour.

"Being declared arguidos almost three months ago caused the McCanns’ immense anguish and continues to do so," he said.

"To think they could have been saved that under a law introduced only days later makes a mockery of the case against them.

"They are entirely innocent victims of a horrible crime that has taken away their daughter and they want to be cleared as soon as possible so the focus can return to finding Madeleine.

"If it is true that changes to the law would have meant that they would not have been made arguidos that’s all the more reason for their status to be dropped now.

"Regardless of any changes in the law they should be eliminated forthwith from the inquiry."

Portuguese police were told last week that forensic results requested from Birmingham’s Forensic Science Service had so far proved "inconclusive".

They plan to travel to Britain next week to re-interview the McCanns and the seven friends who dined with them at the Tapas restaurant on the night of May 3, when Madeleine went missing from the holiday apartment in Praia da Luz.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1571699/Police-rushed-Madeleine-McCann-case.html


I think this is one of the most heartbreaking newspaper articles concerning the propaganda war (which I believe was waged unrelentingly against Kate and Gerry McCann) from the first headline of "A badly told story" to alleged drunkenness to alleged swinging to alleged drugging their children right up to becoming official suspects in Madeleine's disappearance.
All of it unwarranted but all of it still hanging around like a bad smell at a remove of eleven years  as far some are concerned

Poor, poor misunderstood McCanns 

Now can we talk about the pain and suffering the real victim of the tragedy has endured ? Poor Madeleine !

[Miss Taken Identity]

There also appears to be a curious anti-British undercurrent from Brits who doubt the McCanns, who also seem quite defensive of even the slightest criticism directed at anything Portuguese.

Really, care to back that up with a cite or stats or even a case study.

 I find the contents of this post  to be accusatory without foundation- It comes across as just someone sounding off.

[jassi]

Really, care to back that up with a cite or stats or even a case study.

 I find the contents of this post  to be accusatory without foundation- It comes across as just someone sounding off.

Or an agent provocateur, maybe?

[Brietta]

Poor, poor misunderstood McCanns 

Now can we talk about the pain and suffering the real victim of the tragedy has endured ? Poor Madeleine !

Let's start with an explanation of how much help Madeleine could expect if her mother had been locked away like Leonore Cipriano?
Who is looking for Joana?

Presently the Policia Judiciaria and Scotland Yard have fully investigated Madeleine's case which is still an active one until we are told differently.

I don't think 'misunderstood' is the word I would use for an articulate couple who finally achieved that level of police support for their missing daughter; 'misrepresented' being far more appropriate one to refer to the situation in which they found themselves ... in my opinion.

[ShiningInLuz]

Police 'rushed Madeleine McCann case'
By Fiona Govan in Praia da Luz5:01PM GMT 05 Dec 2007
Madeleine McCann’s parents might have been spared the anguish of being named suspects over her disappearance if Portuguese police had not rushed their case through before a change in the law, it has been claimed.

Kate and Gerry McCann were made arguidos - formal suspects - just eight days before new legal measures were introduced which would have required firmer evidence against them.

The couple’s Portuguese lawyer has claimed that detectives may have deliberately fast-tracked the investigation to ensure they were put in the frame.

Investigators named the McCanns, both 39, as arguidos on September 7 after allegedly finding microscopic traces of blood in their holiday apartment and "bodily fluids" they thought could have belonged to Madeleine in the boot of their hire car.

Carlos Pinto de Abreu, a Portuguese lawyer on the McCanns’ defence team, said that under Portugal’s new penal code, police must have more than just suspicions to make somebody an arguido.

"On September 15 a new procedural penal code was introduced making it necessary for there to be evidence against the citizen before they could be made an arguido.

"Before this date it wasn’t necessary. You could be made an arguido without actual evidence against you," he said.

"Maybe that is why the investigation took the turn it did - why they were named arguidos eight days before the new laws came in," said Mr Pinto de Abreu.

His comments followed those of Fernando Jose Pinto Monteiro, Portugal’s Attorney General, who recently admitted the McCanns may not have been made suspects under the new laws.

"At the time when the McCanns were made 'arguidos' the law did not demand justified suspicions. I do not know if they would be (arguidos) in light of the new Code," he said in an interview with the Portuguese magazine Visao.

Clarence Mitchell, the official spokesman of the McCanns, said he hoped the introduction of the new law would work in their favour.

"Being declared arguidos almost three months ago caused the McCanns’ immense anguish and continues to do so," he said.

"To think they could have been saved that under a law introduced only days later makes a mockery of the case against them.

"They are entirely innocent victims of a horrible crime that has taken away their daughter and they want to be cleared as soon as possible so the focus can return to finding Madeleine.

"If it is true that changes to the law would have meant that they would not have been made arguidos that’s all the more reason for their status to be dropped now.

"Regardless of any changes in the law they should be eliminated forthwith from the inquiry."

Portuguese police were told last week that forensic results requested from Birmingham’s Forensic Science Service had so far proved "inconclusive".

They plan to travel to Britain next week to re-interview the McCanns and the seven friends who dined with them at the Tapas restaurant on the night of May 3, when Madeleine went missing from the holiday apartment in Praia da Luz.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1571699/Police-rushed-Madeleine-McCann-case.html


I think this is one of the most heartbreaking newspaper articles concerning the propaganda war (which I believe was waged unrelentingly against Kate and Gerry McCann) from the first headline of "A badly told story" to alleged drunkenness to alleged swinging to alleged drugging their children right up to becoming official suspects in Madeleine's disappearance.
All of it unwarranted but all of it still hanging around like a bad smell at a remove of eleven years  as far some are concerned

Shame that Kate writes in 'madeleine' that the sequence of events was quite different. I will dig out the relevant cite, yet again, for anyone who wishes to be pedantic.