Wandering Off Topic

[G-Unit]

Later, another witness told the court that the investigation changed from a missing person’s inquiry into a murder hunt after Kate had a nightmare and told police where to look for the body.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7060.msg464593#msg464593

I can find evidence that journalists published that, but no evidence that Paiva actually said it. He said;

Police liaison officer Ricardo Paiva said: “The turning point of the investigation came after I received a phone call from Kate McCann.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/151405/Maddie-died-in-apartment-court-hears

[Vertigo Swirl]

For balance,lack of evidence of a burglary gone wrong but Redwood and his cronies spent a wad of tax payers money in search of it.

Any views on why the PJ don't appear to have suspected the McCanns of murder?  Shouldn't they have done?

[Brietta]

Well for Murder you need a motive, and a plan. if you meet both criteria you will conceal the body.
NB: strangulation does not require loss of blood or a murder weapon.

 For those readers who do noyt post but have an interest of the case- the PJ have never openly accused the Family of murdering their daughter. Some are trying to claim this,  and add momentum to the ha te campaign against the PJ and in particular Sr Amaral.

I am loath to mention the word ... but I require a cite for the momentum of the hate campaigns you have indicated in your post.  Thank you

[Angelo222]

Please provide the cite for the McCanns being suspected of murder as per forum rules. The gist of it doesn’t really count.

Brietta has mentioned the occasion when Kate telephoned Paiva in some distress when she insisted they search a hillside for Maddie.  That doesn't necessarily mean murder though.  She could have strayed, been lifted and then let free somewhere remote where she got into further trouble.

Redwood looking for a body in scrubland near the beach suggests to me that he was convinced the Smith's sighting was of Maddie, that she had been abducted and murdered.

Amaral also raises the theory that Maddie was murdered in the apartment in a moment of rage.

[Brietta]

For balance,lack of evidence of a burglary gone wrong but Redwood and his cronies spent a wad of tax payers money in search of it.

Snip
He said there had been a four-fold increase in the number of burglaries in the area between January and May 2007 and one possible scenario was that Madeleine had disturbed a burglar.

"Windows were a feature, as well as burglaries taking place in the evening," he said.

Two incidents had occurred in the McCanns' block - one attempted burglary and one actual burglary - in the 17 days before Madeleine went missing, he said.

There had also been an intruder in a property within the holiday complex where a British family with two children were staying the year before, he added.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24528530


Why is it that you suppose Scotland Yard should not have included burglaries and burglars in their investigation?

[pathfinder73]

Any views on why the PJ don't appear to have suspected the McCanns of murder?  Shouldn't they have done?

IMO the PJ would need a motive first but if a body did disappear, no police force would rule it out.

[Angelo222]

Well for Murder you need a motive, and a plan. if you meet both criteria you will conceal the body.
NB: strangulation does not require loss of blood or a murder weapon.

 For those readers who do noyt post but have an interest of the case- the PJ have never openly accused the Family of murdering their daughter. Some are trying to claim this,  and add momentum to the ha te campaign against the PJ and in particular Sr Amaral.

There is a fine line between accidental killing and murder as evidence in the Joanna Yeates case, her killer had no plan, no prior intent.   Her killer was convicted of murder though because in those few seconds he lost control and Joanna was asphyxiated.  Vincent Tabak had no prior criminal convictions and was a respectible engineer.  A moment of madness destroyed two lives for ever.

[Angelo222]

Snip
He said there had been a four-fold increase in the number of burglaries in the area between January and May 2007 and one possible scenario was that Madeleine had disturbed a burglar.

"Windows were a feature, as well as burglaries taking place in the evening," he said.

Two incidents had occurred in the McCanns' block - one attempted burglary and one actual burglary - in the 17 days before Madeleine went missing, he said.

There had also been an intruder in a property within the holiday complex where a British family with two children were staying the year before, he added.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24528530


Why is it that you suppose Scotland Yard should not have included burglaries and burglars in their investigation?

Because burglars don't abduct children per chance?

[kizzy]

Lack of evidence of drugging and body disposal yet that’s what Amaral and his cronies believe(d).

Lack of evidence is only iyo.....GA probably still does believe in his belief


How long was it - that the twins were tested for any drugging.

Straight away - i think you will find the answer is no ...i think more like 4 months

[barrier]

Snip
He said there had been a four-fold increase in the number of burglaries in the area between January and May 2007 and one possible scenario was that Madeleine had disturbed a burglar.

"Windows were a feature, as well as burglaries taking place in the evening," he said.

Two incidents had occurred in the McCanns' block - one attempted burglary and one actual burglary - in the 17 days before Madeleine went missing, he said.

There had also been an intruder in a property within the holiday complex where a British family with two children were staying the year before, he added.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24528530


Why is it that you suppose Scotland Yard should not have included burglaries and burglars in their investigation?

Of course they also buried their loot in the lawless hill's.yeah right.

[Vertigo Swirl]

IMO the PJ would need a motive first but if a body did disappear, no police force would rule it out.

No they wouldn't need a motive first.  Many murders are investigated and suspects apprehended before a motive for them is arrived at. 

[Vertigo Swirl]

Lack of evidence is only iyo.....GA probably still does believe in his belief


How long was it - that the twins were tested for any drugging.

Straight away - i think you will find the answer is no ...i think more like 4 months

I'm sure GA probably still does "believe in his belief" - but that is all he's got.  Belief, no evidence for it.

[jassi]

I'm sure GA probably still does "believe in his belief" - but that is all he's got.  Belief, no evidence for it.

Does he need any more? He is no longer a police officer or involved in the investigation.

[Angelo222]

I'm sure GA probably still does "believe in his belief" - but that is all he's got.  Belief, no evidence for it.

I think you'll find that is untrue. There is lots of evidence around but no proof.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Does he need any more? He is no longer a police officer or involved in the investigation.

Hasn't he got another book up his sleeve?  After all Madeleine and her parents appear to be his main source of income these days.  Clinging on to his belief would be an essential prerequisite for his on-going career I would have thought.