Wandering Off Topic

[Erngath]

Doesn't exactly work though it could be argued.

In what way?

[Erngath]

I think it is fair to say that you will never find what you seek if you look in the wrong place.

That doesn't answer my question.
Do you believe the current investigation will ignore any lead, indication, or evidence that does not support abduction and allow the case to remain unsolved?

[jassi]

That doesn't answer my question.
Do you believe the current investigation will ignore any lead, indication, or evidence that does not support abduction and allow the case to remain unsolved?

Yes.  Not necessarily the foot soldiers, though they will do as they are told,  but certainly the decision-makers.

[Erngath]

i agree with that theory angelo but whatever did happen to maddie it  was caused by the mcanns neglect and  terrible parenting imo  theres no excuse for their actions that  night

It's not a choice I would have made.
We stayed at Butlins ( ugh) once, where lots of parents left their children in their chalet and went out for the evening
Checks were supposed to be regularly made by undisclosed staff.
We chose not to do this or ever use a similar system in hotels we stayed in.
I wouldn't describe those parents who did leave their children in the hotel room or chalet as " terrible'

[Mr Gray]

Yes.  Not necessarily the foot soldiers, though they will do as they are told,  but certainly the decision-makers.

I find that a rather ridiculous idea

[Erngath]

Yes.  Not necessarily the foot soldiers, though they will do as they are told,  but certainly the decision-makers.

So a corrupt investigation?
Quite a serious accusation imo.

[jassi]

So a corrupt investigation?
Quite a serious accusation imo.

I'l settle for corruption at the top - politicians and their backers.

[G-Unit]

That doesn't answer my question.
Do you believe the current investigation will ignore any lead, indication, or evidence that does not support abduction and allow the case to remain unsolved?

In the Yorkshire Ripper case the man in charge was focusing on the hoaxer 'Wearside Jack'. The evidence pointing to Sutcliffe was ignored on his orders.

[Mr Gray]

I'l settle for corruption at the top - politicians and their backers.

I find that ridiculous too

[Mr Gray]

In the Yorkshire Ripper case the man in charge was focusing on the hoaxer 'Wearside Jack'. The evidence pointing to Sutcliffe was ignored on his orders.

Cite required

[pathfinder73]

Detective Andy Laptew was a junior officer on the inquiry who interviewed Sutcliffe and felt 'alarm bells ringing', but his concerns were ignored and three more women were murdered

"I wasn't happy with Peter Sutcliffe, there were a lot of alarm bells ringing.

“The reason we actually went to see Sutcliffe was because his vehicle had been sighted in three separate red light areas.

“He had a striking resemblance to the photo-fit of the woman who was attacked in Buslingthorpe Lane, in Leeds. He had a gap in his teeth which again was indicative of the the attacker of two of the women who were killed.

“He was in the suspect occupation group – in that he was a heavy goods vehicle driver.

“I said to my colleague 'why don't we bring him in?” and he said 'no we have been told specifically do not bring anybody in'.

“In fact I'll tell you what happened I took it direct to Dick Holland (Superintendant in charge of the enquiry), a man who I had put on a pedestal and hero worshiped

“Has he got a Geordie accent he said. 'No he's local' I said, 'he's from Bradford, he's a dead ringer for the photo-fit.'

"Then he said 'If anybody mentions the photo-fits to me again they will be doing traffic for the rest of their service.

"I could have crawled under the crack in the door."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/detective-who-warned-peter-sutcliffe-8665987

[G-Unit]

It's not a choice I would have made.
We stayed at Butlins ( ugh) once, where lots of parents left their children in their chalet and went out for the evening
Checks were supposed to be regularly made by undisclosed staff.
We chose not to do this or ever use a similar system in hotels we stayed in.
I wouldn't describe those parents who did leave their children in the hotel room or chalet as " terrible'

Times change and so do attitudes. I was reading yesterday about loads of people who were transported in car boots and in the backs of vans when they were children in the 1970's. No-one would do that now and if they did then consequences would follow. There's a difference, of course, between using an organised system and leaving children home alone against your holiday provider's advice.

[Angelo222]

I would say ut isn't... They are investigating the abduction... One possibility  is, they discover she was not abducted

The investigation has turned into a bit of a damp squid now as far as finding Maddie is concerned. Time for the McCanns to do something instead of massaging their own careers. 

If it was my child and I was as innocent as they claim I would have been out in Portugal promoting an awareness campaign seeking any information. I don't think there's even a confidential number for Portuguese people to phone with information which in my mind is an utter disgrace.  Maybe one of our Portuguese members can confirm this?

[Vertigo Swirl]

In the Yorkshire Ripper case the man in charge was focusing on the hoaxer 'Wearside Jack'. The evidence pointing to Sutcliffe was ignored on his orders.

As has been pointed out -  the Portuguese have primacy in this case, so it would be a very foolish course of action to take to ignore evidence which they have access to and which they are pursuing as part of the investigation. 

[G-Unit]

Detective Andy Laptew was a junior officer on the inquiry who interviewed Sutcliffe and felt 'alarm bells ringing', but his concerns were ignored and three more women were murdered

"I wasn't happy with Peter Sutcliffe, there were a lot of alarm bells ringing.

“The reason we actually went to see Sutcliffe was because his vehicle had been sighted in three separate red light areas.

“He had a striking resemblance to the photo-fit of the woman who was attacked in Buslingthorpe Lane, in Leeds. He had a gap in his teeth which again was indicative of the the attacker of two of the women who were killed.

“He was in the suspect occupation group – in that he was a heavy goods vehicle driver.

“I said to my colleague 'why don't we bring him in?” and he said 'no we have been told specifically do not bring anybody in'.

“In fact I'll tell you what happened I took it direct to Dick Holland (Superintendant in charge of the enquiry), a man who I had put on a pedestal and hero worshiped

“Has he got a Geordie accent he said. 'No he's local' I said, 'he's from Bradford, he's a dead ringer for the photo-fit.'

"Then he said 'If anybody mentions the photo-fits to me again they will be doing traffic for the rest of their service.

"I could have crawled under the crack in the door."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/detective-who-warned-peter-sutcliffe-8665987

It does make you wonder if junior officers working on OG ever mentioned the Smithman efits and Mr Smith's statement. The inquiry seems to have decided early on that the McCanns 'were where they said they were' to use Commander Foy's words.