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Offline G-Unit

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #3270 on: June 03, 2018, 12:24:00 PM »
Even giving or taking ten minutes each way on every single statement hardly allows sufficient time for a man to leave the dining table, change his clothes, retrieve a corpse from it's hiding place, walk beyond the distance of the Smiths sighting, find another suitable hiding place, return to the his apartment, change back into his earlier clothes and return to the table several minutes before his wife gets up to go to the apartment.  Not only that, but it requires for those seated at the table during his protracted absence whilst supposedly hiding a body to all forget to mention this protracted absence just before the alarm was raised.
So, in short I would say that unless you believe all the Tapas group are very forgetful indeed or covering up, it's pretty irrefutable.

Why do you think it had to take place before they all left the table? What about after?

In the confusion following the disappearance of Madeleine it would be possible that one of the men or Fiona Payne 'escaped' to join in the searches again later".
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #3271 on: June 03, 2018, 12:26:13 PM »
Probably because of the numerous witnesses that put them in the places they said they were at the time of the Smithman sighting.

And what time was that?

Manuela, the cook: They had already eaten the main course, [Cut to blurry image of a woman’s face, with a strong southern accent from Algarve], because it was already around 9:30pm when she gave the alarm.
https://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/05/tapas-cook-breaks-silence-and-talks.html
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #3272 on: June 03, 2018, 12:27:13 PM »
Why do you think it had to take place before they all left the table? What about after?

In the confusion following the disappearance of Madeleine it would be possible that one of the men or Fiona Payne 'escaped' to join in the searches again later".
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Are you suggesting that the Smith sighting happened AFTER the alarm was raised? 
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Offline Angelo222

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #3273 on: June 03, 2018, 12:27:49 PM »
My post pertained specifically to the improbability of Gerry being Smithman - perhaps you could address that point?

Mr Smith certainly thought so and he was there.
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Offline Angelo222

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #3274 on: June 03, 2018, 12:28:50 PM »
Even giving or taking ten minutes each way on every single statement hardly allows sufficient time for a man to leave the dining table, change his clothes, retrieve a corpse from it's hiding place, walk beyond the distance of the Smiths sighting, find another suitable hiding place, return to the his apartment, change back into his earlier clothes and return to the table several minutes before his wife gets up to go to the apartment.  Not only that, but it requires for those seated at the table during his protracted absence whilst supposedly hiding a body to all forget to mention this protracted absence just before the alarm was raised.
So, in short I would say that unless you believe all the Tapas group are very forgetful indeed or covering up, it's pretty irrefutable.

The last time Maddie was seen in public was around 5.30pm.  The disappearance was announced after 10pm so by my calculations that gives a window of 4½ hours in which only David Payne, Matthew Oldfield and Maddie's parents allegedly visited the apartment. Curiously, Payne's recollection of that event is somewhat different to Kate McCanns.  More false memory syndrome?

Even stranger is that Oldfield failed to see Maddie when he visited the apartment around 9.30pm yet her bed was right beside the bedroom door. In his first police statement he said he merely listened at the door of apartment 5a but later said he had gone in and noticed that the room seemed lighter than the others, as if the shutters had been opened. He cannot be certain whether Madeleine was there.

Probably because she wasn't!!
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Offline jassi

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #3275 on: June 03, 2018, 12:30:36 PM »
Are you suggesting that the Smith sighting happened AFTER the alarm was raised?

Given the vagaries of time, it's not impossible -IMO
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #3276 on: June 03, 2018, 12:37:23 PM »
Given the vagaries of time, it's not impossible -IMO
G-unit only deals in facts not vagaries so I look forward to her response to my question (if I am not being too impertinent in asking it). 
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #3277 on: June 03, 2018, 12:38:34 PM »
Mr Smith certainly thought so and he was there.
Since when has 60-80% been "certain"?  Do you think there is any possibility at all that he was mistaken?  Why, I wonder, did the highly esteemed PJ conclude that Gerry could not have been Smithman - surely not because they were naively taken in by the Tapas group? 
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #3278 on: June 03, 2018, 12:43:58 PM »
Are you suggesting that the Smith sighting happened AFTER the alarm was raised?

Of course the alarm was raised before that sighting. Gerry believed it was around 10:13 when Kate raised the alarm. That time differs from other witness statements who put it before 10 - Matt, Fiona as early as 9:45, the waiter, cook etc. But if Gerry's time was correct then Smithman would have happened before the alarm  (&^&
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #3279 on: June 03, 2018, 12:45:40 PM »
And what time was that?

Manuela, the cook: They had already eaten the main course, [Cut to blurry image of a woman’s face, with a strong southern accent from Algarve], because it was already around 9:30pm when she gave the alarm.
https://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/05/tapas-cook-breaks-silence-and-talks.html
Why have you decided that this statement is the only accurate one?
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #3280 on: June 03, 2018, 12:47:01 PM »
Of course the alarm was raised before that sighting. Gerry believed it was around 10:13 when Kate raised the alarm. That time differs from other witness statements who put it before 10 - Matt, Fiona as early as 9:45, the waiter, cook etc. But if Gerry's time was correct then Smithman would have happened before the alarm  (&^&
Why do you suppose the PJ, who had access to all the same statements that you do, decided that the alarm was raised at around 10pm then?  Are they not as astute as you?
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #3281 on: June 03, 2018, 12:47:42 PM »
Why have you decided that this statement is the only accurate one?

I haven't decided that is correct but many witnesses have the alarm before 10 and NOT after like Gerry.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #3282 on: June 03, 2018, 12:47:57 PM »
i agree with that theory angelo but whatever did happen to maddie it  was caused by the mcanns neglect and  terrible parenting imo  theres no excuse for their actions that  night
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #3283 on: June 03, 2018, 12:48:47 PM »
Are you suggesting that the Smith sighting happened AFTER the alarm was raised?

That would depend on the time they all exited the Tapas complex.
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Offline jassi

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #3284 on: June 03, 2018, 12:54:50 PM »
And they regret that too.

One would certainly hope so.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

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