Wandering Off Topic

[Vertigo Swirl]

Kate gave the green light to family, and their spokesperson Justine McGuiness to tell anyone who would listen what was happening in the police station when questioned in her arguido interview. Gerry spoke to David Jones on the QT about the investigation. What do you think were their thoughts on judicial secrecy then ? Handy that judicial secrecy only kicked in when the parents had something to hide.

Nowhere does it say Fiona was trying to calm Kate down and as a trained professional she is just as guilty of failing to get help for two unresponsive children as her friend. If either of the two of them had acted that when in their professional life they would have been up in front of the GMC quicker than you could say comatose.

Please describe exactly how they behaved and what they actually did that night vis-a-vis the twins.  Do you know that Fiona did not try to calm Kate down?  What did she in fact say to her?  Is it unlikely that she tried to calm and reassure her distressed friend? 

[Mr Gray]

Kate gave the green light to family, and their spokesperson Justine McGuiness to tell anyone who would listen what was happening in the police station when questioned in her arguido interview. Gerry spoke to David Jones on the QT about the investigation. What do you think were their thoughts on judicial secrecy then ? Handy that judicial secrecy only kicked in when the parents had something to hide.

Nowhere does it say Fiona was trying to calm Kate down and as a trained professional she is just as guilty of failing to get help for two unresponsive children as her friend. If either of the two of them had acted that when in their professional life they would have been up in front of the GMC quicker than you could say comatose.

What evidence is there that the twins were unresponsive... Is that a myth... Someone who is sedated IS responsive... That is one if the differences between sedation and general anaesthesia

[Brietta]

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When did the bolded bit happen?

Please check out Fiona Payne's rogatory statement ... I think the answer to your question may be found therein
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

[G-Unit]

Please check out Fiona Payne's rogatory statement ... I think the answer to your question may be found therein
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

I have, and was unable to find the appropriate passage. Fiona says the twins were fine, but she doesn't claim to have said that to Kate, which is what seems to be being suggested.

'No, and that was the other thing, she kept going into the twins, she kept putting her hands on the twins to check they were breathing, she was very much concerned in checking that they were okay. But they were okay, I mean, they were fine, they didn't, they were asleep, but at the time it did seem weird

[faithlilly]

I have, and was unable to find the appropriate passage. Fiona says the twins were fine, but she doesn't claim to have said that to Kate, which is what seems to be being suggested.

'No, and that was the other thing, she kept going into the twins, she kept putting her hands on the twins to check they were breathing, she was very much concerned in checking that they were okay. But they were okay, I mean, they were fine, they didn't, they were asleep, but at the time it did seem weird

Of course if you’re an anaesthesiologist and you’ve left two children who were unresponsive to their fate you’re going to say that the were fine. Of course it’s just about here, if Kate had voiced her concerns to the police, that you would have thought that Fiona would have recollected it. Strange she didn’t.

[jassi]

I didn't notice any mention of hysteria in Fiona's statement.
Maybe I missed it, or maybe it was said by someone else, or maybe by nobody.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Of course if you’re an anaesthesiologist and you’ve left two children who were unresponsive to their fate you’re going to say that the were fine. Of course it’s just about here, if Kate had voiced her concerns to the police, that you would have thought that Fiona would have recollected it. Strange she didn’t.

"Left to their fate"??  What, were they put out with the milk bottles or something?

[Brietta]

I didn't notice any mention of hysteria in Fiona's statement.
Maybe I missed it, or maybe it was said by someone else, or maybe by nobody.

You are wrong.

Not only does Fiona describe a heartrending and awful scenario in the aftermath of discovering their child was missing ... she describes the hysteria of both Kate and Gerry.

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  ...  but I do remember her coming back, erm, you know, I never will forget'.  ...  she sort of raced back and she just appeared at the doors of the sort of reception area and just shouted across, erm, 'She's gone. Gerry, Madeleine's gone'. And, you know, well you can just imagine the shock maybe.  ...

  ...  panic was starting really  ...

  ...  1485  ...  'How was Kate''
  ...  Reply  ...  'Awful, erm, I've never seen such horrible raw emotion in my life and I've seen a lot of it in my job. Erm, tut, she, she was just bereft, she didn't know what to do, she was just panicking, extremely frightened, extremely frightened for Madeleine ...
  ...  And the helplessness  ...  she was angry, really angry, tut, punching walls, kicking walls, she was covered in bruises the next day, because she just didn't know what, what else to do. She was angry at herself, she kept saying 'I've let her down. We've let her down Gerry', you know, 'We should have been here'. Erm, tut, she was praying a lot. Erm, I just don't think she knew what to do, what to do. And she was just howling. It was just, just awful.  ...  but she wasn't functioning

  ...  from the moment Kate discovered that Madeleine was gone, the screaming and the shouting and there was a lot of noise ...

  ... This was all in immediate panic' ...

  ...  at that point she was just in no state to be left alone ...

  ...  I know Gerry phoned his sister, Trish, and he was just sobbing and hysterical on the phone' ...

  ...  we were obviously desperate and frantic   ...

  ...   and Kate was getting hysterical at this point, erm, she, you know, screaming, erm, because she just wanted somebody who she felt was doing, doing something that was going to make a difference  ...

[jassi]

Thank you. As I said in my earlier post, 'maybe I missed it' Clearly I did.

[faithlilly]

You are wrong.

Not only does Fiona describe a heartrending and awful scenario in the aftermath of discovering their child was missing ... she describes the hysteria of both Kate and Gerry.

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  ...  but I do remember her coming back, erm, you know, I never will forget'.  ...  she sort of raced back and she just appeared at the doors of the sort of reception area and just shouted across, erm, 'She's gone. Gerry, Madeleine's gone'. And, you know, well you can just imagine the shock maybe.  ...

  ...  panic was starting really  ...

  ...  1485  ...  'How was Kate''
  ...  Reply  ...  'Awful, erm, I've never seen such horrible raw emotion in my life and I've seen a lot of it in my job. Erm, tut, she, she was just bereft, she didn't know what to do, she was just panicking, extremely frightened, extremely frightened for Madeleine ...
  ...  And the helplessness  ...  she was angry, really angry, tut, punching walls, kicking walls, she was covered in bruises the next day, because she just didn't know what, what else to do. She was angry at herself, she kept saying 'I've let her down. We've let her down Gerry', you know, 'We should have been here'. Erm, tut, she was praying a lot. Erm, I just don't think she knew what to do, what to do. And she was just howling. It was just, just awful.  ...  but she wasn't functioning

  ...  from the moment Kate discovered that Madeleine was gone, the screaming and the shouting and there was a lot of noise ...

  ... This was all in immediate panic' ...

  ...  at that point she was just in no state to be left alone ...

  ...  I know Gerry phoned his sister, Trish, and he was just sobbing and hysterical on the phone' ...

  ...  we were obviously desperate and frantic   ...

  ...   and Kate was getting hysterical at this point, erm, she, you know, screaming, erm, because she just wanted somebody who she felt was doing, doing something that was going to make a difference  ...

Yep, so they were hysterical, we get that. Not hysterical enough to ask for a priest though but hysterical enough not to be able to verbalise that their children may need medical help. How does that work then ?

[G-Unit]

You are wrong.

Not only does Fiona describe a heartrending and awful scenario in the aftermath of discovering their child was missing ... she describes the hysteria of both Kate and Gerry.

_______________________________________________________________


  ...  but I do remember her coming back, erm, you know, I never will forget'.  ...  she sort of raced back and she just appeared at the doors of the sort of reception area and just shouted across, erm, 'She's gone. Gerry, Madeleine's gone'. And, you know, well you can just imagine the shock maybe.  ...

  ...  panic was starting really  ...

  ...  1485  ...  'How was Kate''
  ...  Reply  ...  'Awful, erm, I've never seen such horrible raw emotion in my life and I've seen a lot of it in my job. Erm, tut, she, she was just bereft, she didn't know what to do, she was just panicking, extremely frightened, extremely frightened for Madeleine ...
  ...  And the helplessness  ...  she was angry, really angry, tut, punching walls, kicking walls, she was covered in bruises the next day, because she just didn't know what, what else to do. She was angry at herself, she kept saying 'I've let her down. We've let her down Gerry', you know, 'We should have been here'. Erm, tut, she was praying a lot. Erm, I just don't think she knew what to do, what to do. And she was just howling. It was just, just awful.  ...  but she wasn't functioning

  ...  from the moment Kate discovered that Madeleine was gone, the screaming and the shouting and there was a lot of noise ...

  ... This was all in immediate panic' ...

  ...  at that point she was just in no state to be left alone ...

  ...  I know Gerry phoned his sister, Trish, and he was just sobbing and hysterical on the phone' ...

  ...  we were obviously desperate and frantic   ...

  ...   and Kate was getting hysterical at this point, erm, she, you know, screaming, erm, because she just wanted somebody who she felt was doing, doing something that was going to make a difference  ...

Just the kind of scenario which would result in absolute panic at the thought that her remaining children might not be breathing. No such reaction was onserved, however, not even basic first aid advice was followed.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Just the kind of scenario which would result in absolute panic at the thought that her remaining children might not be breathing. No such reaction was onserved, however, not even basic first aid advice was followed.

So what?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Yep, so they were hysterical, we get that. Not hysterical enough to ask for a priest though but hysterical enough not to be able to verbalise that their children may need medical help. How does that work then ?

So what?

[Brietta]

Just the kind of scenario which would result in absolute panic at the thought that her remaining children might not be breathing. No such reaction was onserved, however, not even basic first aid advice was followed.

Might I refer you once again to Fiona Payne's rogatory statement http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm where she as a practising anaesthetist assessed the twins as being "fine" and "sleeping"

[Vertigo Swirl]

You people think this point is hugely significant but won't spell out why you think it is important to keep going on and on about it - please explain.