Wandering Off Topic

[faithlilly]

Might I refer you once again to Fiona Payne's rogatory statement http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm where she as a practising anaesthetist assessed the twins as being "fine" and "sleeping"

Just by looking ? Makes you wander why the NHS squanders money on blood tests, machines and things like that, doesn’t it when all that is really needed is for a traumatised tourist to have a quick shufty.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Just by looking ? Makes you wander why the NHS squanders money on blood tests, machines and things like that, doesn’t it when all that is really needed is for a traumatised tourist to have a quick shufty.

Did she make a wrong call?  What is the significance of all this wrt to disappearance of Madeleine McCann?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Come on sceptics - it's got to be one of the following reasons, which one do you think?
1) Lack of interest or care in whether the twins survived the night or not
2) Knew all along that the twins were fine and that sedatives were not involved (even though their heavy sleep was considered odd by the police)
3) Concern for the twins was outweighed by frantic worry about Madeleine so relied on observation only.

If you've got any more possible reasons please add to the list, or does considering the possible reasons for the decisions made on that night not interest you because it forces you to think logically? 

[G-Unit]

Might I refer you once again to Fiona Payne's rogatory statement http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm where she as a practising anaesthetist assessed the twins as being "fine" and "sleeping"

It depends what Fiona was talling about. At the rime of being interviewed she knew the twins were 'fine' and 'sleeping'. That doesn't mean she knew that on 3rd. She tells us what she thought on 3rd;

 at the time it did seem weird, I remember thinking, you know, when the Police came they turned the lights on, there was loads of noise, obviously from the moment Kate discovered that Madeleine was gone, the screaming and the shouting and there was a lot of noise and they, they didn't, you know, so much as blink'.

[Vertigo Swirl]

It depends what Fiona was talling about. At the rime of being interviewed she knew the twins were 'fine' and 'sleeping'. That doesn't mean she knew that on 3rd. She tells us what she thought on 3rd;

 at the time it did seem weird, I remember thinking, you know, when the Police came they turned the lights on, there was loads of noise, obviously from the moment Kate discovered that Madeleine was gone, the screaming and the shouting and there was a lot of noise and they, they didn't, you know, so much as blink'.

Weird, but not overly concerning as the children were breathing normally and not in any apparent distress.  So what?

[faithlilly]

It depends what Fiona was talling about. At the rime of being interviewed she knew the twins were 'fine' and 'sleeping'. That doesn't mean she knew that on 3rd. She tells us what she thought on 3rd;

 at the time it did seem weird, I remember thinking, you know, when the Police came they turned the lights on, there was loads of noise, obviously from the moment Kate discovered that Madeleine was gone, the screaming and the shouting and there was a lot of noise and they, they didn't, you know, so much as blink'.

Of course if the parents had sedated the children themselves I’m sure they wouldn’t have wanted them tested.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Of course if the parents had sedated the children themselves I’m sure they wouldn’t have wanted them tested.

Yeah, I'm sure they'd rather they die, than have them tested (which of course they would have been in such an eventuality).  So it seems Faithlilly believes the parents really don't care about the well-being of the twins - option 1.  Anyone else?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Remember, Faithlilly's theory is that the parents WANTED Madeleine's body to be found quickly which is why they hid  it in a bin ( )  In such an eventuality the body would have been found to contain sedative drugs, according to Faithlilly's theory which would have matched any found in the twins.  Faithlilly;s theory is that the McCanns would have blamed this all on the abductor, so why wouldn't they have wanted the twins tested that night?  Makes no sense at all this theory, I'm sure you'll all agree.

[Brietta]

It depends what Fiona was talling about. At the rime of being interviewed she knew the twins were 'fine' and 'sleeping'. That doesn't mean she knew that on 3rd. She tells us what she thought on 3rd;

 at the time it did seem weird, I remember thinking, you know, when the Police came they turned the lights on, there was loads of noise, obviously from the moment Kate discovered that Madeleine was gone, the screaming and the shouting and there was a lot of noise and they, they didn't, you know, so much as blink'.

Everything is in the syntax ... Fiona might have thought it strange that the children slept through the police arrival ... but she did so only after ascertaining and forming the professional opinion that the twins were "fine" and "sleeping" while under continued close observation and close monitoring.

She of course had the advantage of being there to enable her to form her opinion which I think may well outweigh your speculation.

[faithlilly]

Everything is in the syntax ... Fiona might have thought it strange that the children slept through the police arrival ... but she did so only after ascertaining and forming the professional opinion that the twins were "fine" and "sleeping" while under continued close observation and close monitoring.

She of course had the advantage of being there to enable her to form her opinion which I think may well outweigh your speculation.

How long exactly did this observation take because I’m sure she and Kate spent most of the night in Kate’s bedroom with the door shut ?

[G-Unit]

Everything is in the syntax ... Fiona might have thought it strange that the children slept through the police arrival ... but she did so only after ascertaining and forming the professional opinion that the twins were "fine" and "sleeping" while under continued close observation and close monitoring.

She of course had the advantage of being there to enable her to form her opinion which I think may well outweigh your speculation.

You have no evidence that Fiona ascertained anything, formed any [rofessional opinion or that anyone continued to monitor and observe the twins. Those are all assumptions.

Fiona tells us that 'fairly soon' Emma Knight arrived and from then on until the GNR arrived it was Kate, Emma and herself in the apartment with Gerry and David 'coming and going'.

Emma mentions no concerns about the twins and no monitoring or observation of them;

I went to the McCann's apartment, entered by the patio doors and introduced myself to Kate and Mrs Payne. I entered the apartment living room and Kate and Mrs Payne stayed in the main bedroom, from where I could hear them both crying.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA-LOUISE.htm

When Silvia Batista and the GNR arrived the twins were in the bedroom with the door closed.;

She also recalls entering in the room where Madeleine should be sleeping and remembers now that the door was closed. The room was dark. The blinds were down, some light entering through their holes. The windows were closed and the curtains slightly open. Gerry, who followed her and the elements of the GNR, said he did close the window because of the babies sleeping in the room, a fact she confirms.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SILVIA_BATISTA.htm

[Vertigo Swirl]

You have no evidence that Fiona ascertained anything, formed any [rofessional opinion or that anyone continued to monitor and observe the twins. Those are all assumptions.

Fiona tells us that 'fairly soon' Emma Knight arrived and from then on until the GNR arrived it was Kate, Emma and herself in the apartment with Gerry and David 'coming and going'.

Emma mentions no concerns about the twins and no monitoring or observation of them;

I went to the McCann's apartment, entered by the patio doors and introduced myself to Kate and Mrs Payne. I entered the apartment living room and Kate and Mrs Payne stayed in the main bedroom, from where I could hear them both crying.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA-LOUISE.htm

When Silvia Batista and the GNR arrived the twins were in the bedroom with the door closed.;

She also recalls entering in the room where Madeleine should be sleeping and remembers now that the door was closed. The room was dark. The blinds were down, some light entering through their holes. The windows were closed and the curtains slightly open. Gerry, who followed her and the elements of the GNR, said he did close the window because of the babies sleeping in the room, a fact she confirms.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SILVIA_BATISTA.htm

How many minutes was Batista in the apartment before the police turned up and the twins were moved?

[G-Unit]

How many minutes was Batista in the apartment before the police turned up and the twins were moved?

Silvia entered with the GNR at about 11.15. She remained there. The PJ appeared after midnight, chucked everyone out and asked for a new apartment to be organised. I don't know how long it took to arrange that and take the twins out.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Silvia entered with the GNR at about 11.15. She remained there. The PJ appeared after midnight, chucked everyone out and asked for a new apartment to be organised. I don't know how long it took to arrange that and take the twins out.

At what point in the evening was Kate checking on their breathing?

[G-Unit]

At what point in the evening was Kate checking on their breathing?

She places it before the arrival of the GNR. She doesn't say it continued after they arrived.