Wandering Off Topic

[Vertigo Swirl]

She places it before the arrival of the GNR. She doesn't say it continued after they arrived.

Does she give a minute by minute account of her actions during that period? 

[Lace]

You have no evidence that Fiona ascertained anything, formed any [rofessional opinion or that anyone continued to monitor and observe the twins. Those are all assumptions.

Fiona tells us that 'fairly soon' Emma Knight arrived and from then on until the GNR arrived it was Kate, Emma and herself in the apartment with Gerry and David 'coming and going'.

Emma mentions no concerns about the twins and no monitoring or observation of them;

I went to the McCann's apartment, entered by the patio doors and introduced myself to Kate and Mrs Payne. I entered the apartment living room and Kate and Mrs Payne stayed in the main bedroom, from where I could hear them both crying.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA-LOUISE.htm

When Silvia Batista and the GNR arrived the twins were in the bedroom with the door closed.;

She also recalls entering in the room where Madeleine should be sleeping and remembers now that the door was closed. The room was dark. The blinds were down, some light entering through their holes. The windows were closed and the curtains slightly open. Gerry, who followed her and the elements of the GNR, said he did close the window because of the babies sleeping in the room, a fact she confirms.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SILVIA_BATISTA.htm

Fiona knew the twins were just sleeping,   maybe they moved position,  this is a sign that they wouldn't be unconscious.  I doubt very much that Fiona would leave the twins die of sedation.  IMO

[Lace]

Yep, so they were hysterical, we get that. Not hysterical enough to ask for a priest though but hysterical enough not to be able to verbalise that their children may need medical help. How does that work then ?

Asking for a priest shows how hysterical Kate was IMO  she felt the only way she could help Madeleine was through prayer,  she obviously out of her mind with worry.   Maybe she wasn't able to verbalise properly to the Police that she thought the twins may have been sedated,   that is why they ignored her.  IMO

[faithlilly]

Asking for a priest shows how hysterical Kate was IMO  she felt the only way she could help Madeleine was through prayer,  she obviously out of her mind with worry.   Maybe she wasn't able to verbalise properly to the Police that she thought the twins may have been sedated,   that is why they ignored her.  IMO

Did Silvia Batista ignore her too ?

[jassi]

I wasn't aware that it was necessary to have a priest present in order to pray.

[Lace]

Did Silvia Batista ignore her too ?

Could be she couldn't understand what Kate was trying to say,  and just said the twins were sleeping through the noise.

They didn't interview Kate the next day,  she was too traumatised,  which tells me she wasn't functioning at all.

[Lace]

I wasn't aware that it was necessary to have a priest present in order to pray.

I'm not religious,  but I think they have the Priest pray with them and bless Madeleine etc.  I don't know,  it was something that Kate obviously wanted at the time of feeling helpless.   IMO

[Brietta]

I'm not religious,  but I think they have the Priest pray with them and bless Madeleine etc.  I don't know,  it was something that Kate obviously wanted at the time of feeling helpless.   IMO

I do not believe it is unusual for Catholics to seek solace from a priest in times of crisis; what I find unusual is that individuals find it necessary to question Kate's need for a priest and prayers for Madeleine to the extent it was satirised in Amaral's book and documentary and has continued on internet fora many years after the event.

[Miss Taken Identity]

You have no evidence that Fiona ascertained anything, formed any [rofessional opinion or that anyone continued to monitor and observe the twins. Those are all assumptions.

Fiona tells us that 'fairly soon' Emma Knight arrived and from then on until the GNR arrived it was Kate, Emma and herself in the apartment with Gerry and David 'coming and going'.

Emma mentions no concerns about the twins and no monitoring or observation of them;

I went to the McCann's apartment, entered by the patio doors and introduced myself to Kate and Mrs Payne. I entered the apartment living room and Kate and Mrs Payne stayed in the main bedroom, from where I could hear them both crying.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA-LOUISE.htm

When Silvia Batista and the GNR arrived the twins were in the bedroom with the door closed.;

She also recalls entering in the room where Madeleine should be sleeping and remembers now that the door was closed. The room was dark. The blinds were down, some light entering through their holes. The windows were closed and the curtains slightly open. Gerry, who followed her and the elements of the GNR, said he did close the window because of the babies sleeping in the room, a fact she confirms.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SILVIA_BATISTA.htm

So, what have we learned by these people.
1. Kate was not all that concerned as she didnt' scream for help as her twins may be in danger, but she screamed and wanted a priest. OK
2. As if on a mission - she complains that the police did nothing when she 'screams'?  mentions? her twins may be in danger get them to a hospital

3. apparently they didn't want to wake the twins- so the trampled all over the room- lights on - off, windows closed (suspected crime scene tampered with) by Gerry- shutters almost down?

Yes, it does NOT make a lot of sense.

On anothrer point SILVIA mentions how dark it was in that bedroom. If that was the case, how could Gerry see Maddie lying on her bed the night she disappeared?

[Lace]

So, what have we learned by these people.
1. Kate was not all that concerned as she didnt' scream for help as her twins may be in danger, but she screamed and wanted a priest. OK
2. As if on a mission - she complains that the police did nothing when she 'screams'?  mentions? her twins may be in danger get them to a hospital

3. apparently they didn't want to wake the twins- so the trampled all over the room- lights on - off, windows closed (suspected crime scene tampered with) by Gerry- shutters almost down?

Yes, it does NOT make a lot of sense.

On anothrer point SILVIA mentions how dark it was in that bedroom. If that was the case, how could Gerry see Maddie lying on her bed the night she disappeared?

Kate was not functioning,  do you know what that means?    She had found her daughter missing,  according to you she should have been behaving normally,  calmly.   You are unable to imagine what distress Kate was in and wanting a priest for comfort,   that just shows what state she was in,  desperate, helpless.

Gerry went out to see if the shutters could be opened from the outside,  they could,  that means they were broken.   They searched the room for Madeleine,  wouldn't you have?

It was earlier in the evening when Gerry did his check so lighter outside.   All IMO

[Lace]

Miss Taken Identity,   by the way not making excuses for the McCann's,   just have a different view to you.

[Brietta]

So, what have we learned by these people.
1. Kate was not all that concerned as she didnt' scream for help as her twins may be in danger, but she screamed and wanted a priest. OK
2. As if on a mission - she complains that the police did nothing when she 'screams'?  mentions? her twins may be in danger get them to a hospital

3. apparently they didn't want to wake the twins- so the trampled all over the room- lights on - off, windows closed (suspected crime scene tampered with) by Gerry- shutters almost down?

Yes, it does NOT make a lot of sense.

On anothrer point SILVIA mentions how dark it was in that bedroom. If that was the case, how could Gerry see Maddie lying on her bed the night she disappeared?

I think we have learned nothing from the nit picking that has taken place on the internet over the years except for perhaps witnessing the portrayal of a side of human nature it would have been impossible to envisage otherwise.

Is there anyone who really imagines that today's investigations by the Judicial Police and Scotland Yard are stuck in the time-warp of the minutia of files written many years ago and have not progressed the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance well into the present day?

[jassi]

Miss Taken Identity,  by the way not making excuses for the McCann's,   just have a different view to you.

That's a change, for many supporters spend their life doing just that. - IMO

[Miss Taken Identity]

I think we have learned nothing from the nit picking that has taken place on the internet over the years except for perhaps witnessing the portrayal of a side of human nature it would have been impossible to envisage otherwise.

Is there anyone who really imagines that today's investigations by the Judicial Police and Scotland Yard are stuck in the time-warp of the minutia of files written many years ago and have not progressed the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance well into the present day?

People are going to talk about this and the parents behaviour wether you like it or not. You and the McCanns do not have control of peoples thoughts - censorship just doesn't work that way. It only makes those being censored more interesting and believed. And using this forum  as a personal punch bag to moan about it will not change a thing.

I am glad to say

[barrier]

I think we have learned nothing from the nit picking that has taken place on the internet over the years except for perhaps witnessing the portrayal of a side of human nature it would have been impossible to envisage otherwise.

Is there anyone who really imagines that today's investigations by the Judicial Police and Scotland Yard are stuck in the time-warp of the minutia of files written many years ago and have not progressed the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance well into the present day?

With OG and the PJ allegedly looking at woke and wondered, present day doesn't even come into it,best add a imo I suppose