Wandering Off Topic

[Eleanor]

Goodness gracious me ... we are talking Red Top 07 here  🙄  ... and way before any of us were aware that not only in the repertoire did we have victim recovery dogs they could even be enhanced too.

But only one of them.

[pathfinder73]

Why don't you look it up ?

I don't need to because a victim recovery dog is a cadaver dog so the differences that you believe, a non-expert, is peculiar. Care to elaborate?

[misty]

I don't need to because a victim recovery dog is a cadaver dog so the differences that you believe, a non-expert, is peculiar. Care to elaborate?

You may find this an interesting read. Eddie seems to fit the "Decomposition dog" classification.
https://www.prsar.org/cadaver-dogs.html

[Robittybob1]

You may find this an interesting read. Eddie seems to fit the "Decomposition dog" classification.
https://www.prsar.org/cadaver-dogs.html

As I thought "In today's world the Cadaver Dog is known by many names such as  Human Remains Detector Dog (HRD), Evidence dog, Decomposition K9, Grave Detection Dog, Victim Recovery Dog (VR), Drowned Victim Dog, Forensics K9 or Historical Human Recovery Dog (HHRD). All these terms really mean the same thing. A dog that has been imprinted and trained to locate and indicate the presence of the odor of Human Remains. These dogs are trained to indicate in the various stages and amount of human decomposition odor."  From: https://www.prsar.org/cadaver-dogs.html

[misty]

As I thought "In today's world the Cadaver Dog is known by many names such as  Human Remains Detector Dog (HRD), Evidence dog, Decomposition K9, Grave Detection Dog, Victim Recovery Dog (VR), Drowned Victim Dog, Forensics K9 or Historical Human Recovery Dog (HHRD). All these terms really mean the same thing. A dog that has been imprinted and trained to locate and indicate the presence of the odor of Human Remains. These dogs are trained to indicate in the various stages and amount of human decomposition odor."  From: https://www.prsar.org/cadaver-dogs.html

Was Eddie a Jack-of-all-trades type of cadaver dog or a master of none?

[pathfinder73]

He was in the Attracta Harron case.

"The court also heard Sheffield-based officer Martin Grime describe how his police sniffer dog, Springer Spaniel 'Eddie', first uncovered traces of Mrs Harron's blood from a burnt-out car and later her remains wrapped in a meal sack and dumped at the riverbank."

[misty]

He was in the Attracta Harron case.

"The court also heard Sheffield-based officer Martin Grime describe how his police sniffer dog, Springer Spaniel 'Eddie', first uncovered traces of Mrs Harron's blood from a burnt-out car and later her remains wrapped in a meal sack and dumped at the riverbank."

Was the blood found in the car burnt or were the victim's remains buried in the river bed?

[barrier]

Another PM bites the dust,the case certainly has legs.

[pathfinder73]

Was the blood found in the car burnt or were the victim's remains buried in the river bed?

The hushed crowded No. 1 Courtroom at Dungannon Crown Court also heard that Mrs Harron died from blunt force trauma to the head and face, causing fractures and brain damage, and that she was wrapped in a ‘shroud’ made from a meal bag, while slabs of stone were used to conceal the dead woman’s remains, which lay undiscovered for almost five months.

The car mat which was taken for examination also showed blood traces, and a DNA profile was made which matched that of Mrs Harron.

http://murderpedia.org/male.H/h/hamilton-trevor-william.htm

[The General]

Was Eddie a Jack-of-all-trades type of cadaver dog or a master of none?

If you were a victim (science forbid), would you give a rats ass what the dog was labelled as if it was helping the police to find someone or bring someone to justice?

[Miss Taken Identity]

If you were a victim (science forbid), would you give a rats ass what the dog was labelled as if it was helping the police to find someone or bring someone to justice?

Many would, however as Kate tells us they thought it was funny  (haha funny)that the dogs would not be great witnesses in court,  and Gerry wanting the Dogs to talk to him like a human in order to believe they could assist woith anything... bizarre seriously bizarre

[ShiningInLuz]

Just one true story for your doggie file.

I was watching a programme called Developments in Forensic Science, in the small hours of yesterday morning.  It's the sort of programme I like in the middle of the night.  I found it very interesting.

There was a fairly brief section on the use of dogs by the UK police.

Let me introduce Gunner.  He is a 5 year old black Labrador, trained as a Fire Inspection Dog.  He gets wheeled out to check on possible accelerants, when humans are not sure of the cause of a fire.

He is trained to detect minute traces.

In a test session in a large, multi-storey building, a cigarette butt had 2 very small traces of accelerant added, then it was placed in a locker, in a long room filled with dozens and dozens of similar lockers.

Gunner was put to work, but only after he was fitted with fire-proof boots.

His handler conducted a structured search, starting on the top floor, going down a level, then down to the ground floor.

There Gunner got excited and romped off faster than his handler could keep up.

And then Gunner alerted to the locker containing the small traces of accelerants.

It was very impressive.

[misty]

If you were a victim (science forbid), would you give a rats ass what the dog was labelled as if it was helping the police to find someone or bring someone to justice?

As a victim, I'd be too dead to care.
As a person closely associated with a victim, I'd want to see the dog's actual  training records before I placed my faith in any of its findings relating to remnant scent alerted to weeks later in cross-contaminated area

[misty]

Just one true story for your doggie file.

I was watching a programme called Developments in Forensic Science, in the small hours of yesterday morning.  It's the sort of programme I like in the middle of the night.  I found it very interesting.

There was a fairly brief section on the use of dogs by the UK police.

Let me introduce Gunner.  He is a 5 year old black Labrador, trained as a Fire Inspection Dog.  He gets wheeled out to check on possible accelerants, when humans are not sure of the cause of a fire.

He is trained to detect minute traces.

In a test session in a large, multi-storey building, a cigarette butt had 2 very small traces of accelerant added, then it was placed in a locker, in a long room filled with dozens and dozens of similar lockers.

Gunner was put to work, but only after he was fitted with fire-proof boots.

His handler conducted a structured search, starting on the top floor, going down a level, then down to the ground floor.

There Gunner got excited and romped off faster than his handler could keep up.

And then Gunner alerted to the locker containing the small traces of accelerants.

It was very impressive.

Did the exercise take place in a fire-damaged building?

[ShiningInLuz]

Did the exercise take place in a fire-damaged building?

No.  There was a programme presenter and a video cameraman on site, which would have precluded that.