Wandering Off Topic

[jassi]

Unless one can be determined then yes I agree.although who knows where new techniques can lead.

Quite right. Major scientific developments occur all the time, so it is a foolish person who says that determination of the nature of the DNA mixture would be impossible - IMO, of course.

[Lace]

Quite right. Major scientific developments occur all the time, so it is a foolish person who says that determination of the nature of the DNA mixture would be impossible - IMO, of course.

How would they find out whose DNA it was then?   You tell me.    They swabbed the car,  found DNA which could be from five different people,   who are they?   They could be anyone it was a rental car,  it could be a bit of DNA from one person and a bit of DNA from another,  how are they going to find out whose DNA it was?   If they had the DNA of four of these people then great they can cross off whose DNA belonged to them then they would have one lot of DNA left and that would solve it all.   Yet it could be parts of DNA from these five people couldn't it so how on earth would they find out then? 

[jassi]

How would they find out whose DNA it was then?   You tell me.    They swabbed the car,  found DNA which could be from five different people,   who are they?   They could be anyone it was a rental car,  it could be a bit of DNA from one person and a bit of DNA from another,  how are they going to find out whose DNA it was?   If they had the DNA of four of these people then great they can cross off whose DNA belonged to them then they would have one lot of DNA left and that would solve it all.   Yet it could be parts of DNA from these five people couldn't it so how on earth would they find out then?

   
Unless you work at the leading edge of forensic science research, you will have no idea of what might be achievable now or in the near future.
That you don't believe it can be done is neither here nor there.

[Lace]

   
Unless you work at the leading edge of forensic science research, you will have no idea of what might be achievable now or in the near future.
That you don't believe it can be done is neither here nor there.

So they say part of Madeleine's DNA was in the mix,  or was it?   Madeleine shares her DNA with her parents and the public,   so there to start with is a brick wall.   Don't need to work in forensic science research to work that out.

[jassi]

So they say part of Madeleine's DNA was in the mix,  or was it?   Madeleine shares her DNA with her parents and the public,   so there to start with is a brick wall.   Don't need to work in forensic science research to work that out.

Obviously that's your view, but I find it interesting that you have the need to deny that a resolution of the DNA mix might be achievable even though you admit you don't understand the proposed technology.

[misty]

An update on the pending charges against the man who accused Clarence Mitchell of "lying with as many teeth as he had in his head"  & also assured us that the only thing that didn't happen in the McCann case was an abduction....aka Moita Flores...
https://www.publico.pt/2019/05/20/sociedade/noticia/ministerio-publico-encontrou-635-mil-euros-contas-moita-flores-explicacao-1873325
Just a mere €635.000 of deposits in his company accounts under investigation.

Meanwhile, in the ongoing trial of another McCann-vocal ex-PJ Inspector, one of his co-accused has maintained that Paulo Cristovao was the mastermind behind home invasions.
https://sicnoticias.pt/pais/2019-05-29-Mustafa-diz-que-ex-inspetor-da-PJ-Pereira-Cristovao-foi-o-mandante-dos-assaltos

Cristovao is also linked to Bruno Carvalho, the pair having worked together at Sporting Lisbon. Amongst other crimes still under investigation, Carvalho may be involved in a € 500,000 social media fraud.
https://www.90min.com/posts/6113419-ex-sporting-cp-president-embroiled-in-500-000-per-year-communications-company-scandal

[Vertigo Swirl]

   
Unless you work at the leading edge of forensic science research, you will have no idea of what might be achievable now or in the near future.
That you don't believe it can be done is neither here nor there.

Yes, and one day humans will be able to travel back in time and find out what really happened, just because the science tells us that this is impossible who knows what might be achievable in the future .   

[Lace]

Obviously that's your view, but I find it interesting that you have the need to deny that a resolution of the DNA mix might be achievable even though you admit you don't understand the proposed technology.

The only way it is achievable in my opinion is if they know who left the DNA.    If you don't know who left the DNA you can't just have a wild guess at the DNA of five people.   Do you think when forensics is faced with a mixture of DNA from say two people they can guess which markers are in each person's  DNA?   No they can't.  Only when they have one of the people who left one of the DNA samples can they ascertain the DNA of the other person as they would be left with the other person's markers after taking out the DNA of the person they have in custody.

[jassi]

The only way it is achievable in my opinion is if they know who left the DNA.    If you don't know who left the DNA you can't just have a wild guess at the DNA of five people.   Do you think when forensics is faced with a mixture of DNA from say two people they can guess which markers are in each person's  DNA?   No they can't.  Only when they have one of the people who left one of the DNA samples can they ascertain the DNA of the other person as they would be left with the other person's markers after taking out the DNA of the person they have in custody.

I know its your opinion - you've said so on a number of occasions.

Science and technology move on and the claim is that this development can resolve the 'too difficult to interpret' DNA mix.
Is that a problem ?

[barrier]

I know its your opinion - you've said so on a number of occasions.

Science and technology move on and the claim is that this development can resolve the 'too difficult to interpret' DNA mix.
Is that a problem ?

How many times have we read about advancements in DNA analysis solving old crimes.

[Wonderfulspam]

Yes, and one day humans will be able to travel back in time and find out what really happened, just because the science tells us that this is impossible who knows what might be achievable in the future .   

Comedy isn't really your strong point is it.

[Lace]

I know its your opinion - you've said so on a number of occasions.

Science and technology move on and the claim is that this development can resolve the 'too difficult to interpret' DNA mix.
Is that a problem ?

Yes it is a problem if they haven't got anyone to match the DNA to,  if they don't it's all guess work.

[jassi]

Yes it is a problem if they haven't got anyone to match the DNA to,  if they don't it's all guess work.

Merely your opinion and of no consequence.

Why not let the scientists do their thing?

One can discuss what the results might mean if/when they become available.

[G-Unit]

Yes it is a problem if they haven't got anyone to match the DNA to,  if they don't it's all guess work.

Is that your opinion or the opinion of someone with expertise in the subject?

[Lace]

Is that your opinion or the opinion of someone with expertise in the subject?

I have always said it's my own opinion.

A machine who can take a mix of five people DNA and say that lot belongs to that person I don't know who that person is,  that sequence belongs to a another person I don't know who that person is etc etc   That's not science it's a miracle.