Wandering Off Topic

[Holly Goodhead]

Here is the link to MW brochure on website @04/1/07.

https://web.archive.org/web/20070105161139/http://www.markwarner.co.uk/

Click on "Summer" & it will take you to another page where Childcare is listed. Click on Childcare the Further Details & you will see how the child listening service was marketed.

Thanks misty.  So the brochure clearly states what services were available:

- Creche if dining at Millennium or Tapas
- Baby sitting services

There's no reason for anyone to think listening services were available since the brochure makes no mention of.

DP instigated and organised the trip and the Paynes were the only family who had a monitor.  I wonder what made the Paynes decide on a monitor and why ROB/JT, Oldfields and McCanns either didn't think to take one or did think and decided against? 

[Robittybob1]

Thanks misty.  So the brochure clearly states what services were available:

- Creche if dining at Millennium or Tapas
- Baby sitting services

There's no reason for anyone to think listening services were available since the brochure makes no mention of.

DP instigated and organised the trip and the Paynes were the only family who had a monitor.  I wonder what made the Paynes decide on a monitor and why ROB/JT, Oldfields and McCanns either didn't think to take one or did think and decided against?

It has been established that Russell and Jane had a baby monitor as well.  They brought one with them from England but it didn't work well enough in the actual situation of the Tapas Restaurant.

[Holly Goodhead]

It has been established that Russell and Jane had a baby monitor as well.  They brought one with them from England but it didn't work well enough in the actual situation of the Tapas Restaurant.

Oh right.  I believe the one the Payne's had was hi-tech so the range probably wasn't good enough on the ROB/JT one. 

They must surely have had some idea how they were going to spend the evenings prior to arriving so you would think they might have all thought it through beforehand? 

[Robittybob1]

Oh right.  I believe the one the Payne's had was hi-tech so the range probably wasn't good enough on the ROB/JT one. 

They must surely have had some idea how they were going to spend the evenings prior to arriving so you would think they might have all thought it through beforehand?

It was never determined why it didn't work properly, but Jane tested it and wasn't happy with the outcome.

[Holly Goodhead]

It was never determined why it didn't work properly, but Jane tested it and wasn't happy with the outcome.

One thing I did pick up on recently, I think it might have been the GA vid:'Truth of the lie' was that if JT did a left down the alley and entered her apartment via the little gate/steps/patio doors this might account for the fact that she observed 'Tannerman' and GM/JW but they didn't observe her.  So it begs the question were they all carrying out the checks via the unlocked patio doors as opposed to walking round the front?

[Robittybob1]

One thing I did pick up on recently, I think it might have been the GA vid:'Truth of the lie' was that if JT did a left down the alley and entered her apartment via the little gate/steps/patio doors this might account for the fact that she observed 'Tannerman' and GM/JW but they didn't observe her.  So it begs the question were they all carrying out the checks via the unlocked patio doors as opposed to walking round the front?

Amaral seems to have free reign to alter people's statements.  Jane never says she'd go that way unless there was someone already in the apartment.  On that visit Russell was the table supposedly".

[misty]

Thanks misty.  So the brochure clearly states what services were available:

- Creche if dining at Millennium or Tapas
- Baby sitting services

There's no reason for anyone to think listening services were available since the brochure makes no mention of.

DP instigated and organised the trip and the Paynes were the only family who had a monitor.  I wonder what made the Paynes decide on a monitor and why ROB/JT, Oldfields and McCanns either didn't think to take one or did think and decided against?

Did you miss this part on the link I provided?
*snipped*
Room listening service
Each evening our nannies tour the rooms to check on your children so that you can relax over dinner.This free listening service is available between 8pm and 12 midnight at all our resorts (except Pedras D'el Rei, Portugal where we offer a drop-in evening creche service) to all children under the age of 13 years.

However, the families were made aware AFTER they had made the bookings.  that no listening service was available in the newly-acquired PdL complex.

[Holly Goodhead]

Amaral seems to have free reign to alter people's statements.  Jane never says she'd go that way unless there was someone already in the apartment.  On that visit Russell was at the table supposedly".

Found out for leaving such small children home alone is bad enough but if you need to add in the fact that the apartments were unsecured its a double whammy.  In reality we have no way of knowing who was checking, when and what routes were taken etc.  But if JT did enter via the back it would explain why she observed Tannerman straight ahead and GM/JW but they didn't observe her. 

I've only recently watched the GA vid and hadn't until then appreciated that entering round the front was much further than entering via the back.

[Holly Goodhead]

Did you miss this part on the link I provided?
*snipped*
Room listening service
Each evening our nannies tour the rooms to check on your children so that you can relax over dinner.This free listening service is available between 8pm and 12 midnight at all our resorts (except Pedras D'el Rei, Portugal where we offer a drop-in evening creche service) to all children under the age of 13 years.

However, the families were made aware AFTER they had made the bookings.  that no listening service was available in the newly-acquired PdL complex.

I followed your instructions and arrived here:

https://web.archive.org/web/20061210030256/http://www.markwarner.co.uk/summer_holidays/portugal/ocean_club/childcare

No mention of any listening service?  It just refers to the creche or baby sitting services:

[We offer a ‘dining out service’ (only available for parents using the Millenium and Tapas restaurants). in the crèche on a drop-in basis in the evenings for children aged 4 months to 9 years. For those parents wishing to dine at alternative restaurants in the village, babysitting is available on request at additional charge. Our Indy Club for 14-17 year olds is situated near the Ocean Club Gardens.

[Robittybob1]

Found out for leaving such small children home alone is bad enough but if you need to add in the fact that the apartments were unsecured its a double whammy.  In reality we have no way of knowing who was checking, when and what routes were taken etc.  But if JT did enter via the back it would explain why she observed Tannerman straight ahead and GM/JW but they didn't observe her. 

I've only recently watched the GA vid and hadn't until then appreciated that entering round the front was much further than entering via the back.

You are making the classic mistake of confusing the front and the back (well at least I think so).
The side of the apartment with the front door is the front.
The side with the patio door is the back.
You say:
"But if JT did enter via the back it would explain why she observed Tannerman straight ahead and GM/JW but they didn't observe her."

well I'll change back to patio door:
"But if JT did enter via the "Patio Door" it would explain why she observed Tannerman straight ahead and GM/JW but they didn't observe her.

Can you explain that to us please?

[misty]

I followed your instructions and arrived here:

https://web.archive.org/web/20061210030256/http://www.markwarner.co.uk/summer_holidays/portugal/ocean_club/childcare

No mention of any listening service?  It just refers to the creche or baby sitting services:

[We offer a ‘dining out service’ (only available for parents using the Millenium and Tapas restaurants). in the crèche on a drop-in basis in the evenings for children aged 4 months to 9 years. For those parents wishing to dine at alternative restaurants in the village, babysitting is available on request at additional charge. Our Indy Club for 14-17 year olds is situated near the Ocean Club Gardens.

It's on the main MW page here https://web.archive.org/web/20061111225804/http://www.markwarner.co.uk/summer_holidays/summer_childcare/childcare_details
You don't need to go to the Portugal link.

[Holly Goodhead]

It's on the main MW page here https://web.archive.org/web/20061111225804/http://www.markwarner.co.uk/summer_holidays/summer_childcare/childcare_details
You don't need to go to the Portugal link.

Are you trying to mystify me?!  Yes thanks I see what you mean but it doesn't mention in the OC section about the listening service.  Reading KM's book it doesn't appear she was under any illusion the child listening service was available.

[Holly Goodhead]

You are making the classic mistake of confusing the front and the back (well at least I think so).
The side of the apartment with the front door is the front.
The side with the patio door is the back.
You say:
"But if JT did enter via the back it would explain why she observed Tannerman straight ahead and GM/JW but they didn't observe her."

well I'll change back to patio door:
"But if JT did enter via the "Patio Door" it would explain why she observed Tannerman straight ahead and GM/JW but they didn't observe her.

Can you explain that to us please?

Front door overlooks car park.  Back/patio doors overlook swimming pool. 

The alley leading to the front of the apartments precedes the small gate to 5A meaning when JT left tapas she would have in her line of sight Tannerman crossing the top of the road and GM/JW chatting if stood around the small gate to 5A but if she then turned left into the alley between the apartments and swimming pool this might account for the fact GM/JW did not observe her as she would not have passed them.

[Brietta]

From 9:27 on the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atfDV7imHHY Jane Tanner knows exactly where she was and what she saw and makes that perfectly clear.
There is absolutely no suggestion that she turned left to walk up the path she is adamant she continued to walk towards the car park entrance to block 5.

[Robittybob1]

From 9:27 on the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atfDV7imHHY Jane Tanner knows exactly where she was and what she saw and makes that perfectly clear.
There is absolutely no suggestion that she turned left to walk up the path she is adamant she continued to walk towards the car park entrance to block 5.

We sort of know that, but Amaral must think Jane is confused somewhat.  What I find is that OK if Jane turned off into the alley way that becomes and even longer way to get to her front door.  At no time when walking the alley way will Jane see Tannerman cross her field of vision from the left to the right.