Wandering Off Topic

[jassi]

We're busy doin' nothin'
Workin' the whole day through
Tryin' to find lots of things not to do
We're busy goin' nowhere
Isn't it just a crime
We'd like to be unhappy, but
We never do have the time

[G-Unit]

Let's put it this way ... Madeleine's parents and their friends have been exhaustively investigated ~ there is absolutely no evidence against any one of them.
Similarly, Robert Murat has been exhaustively investigated ~ there is no evidence against him.

The Policia Judiciaria ~ supported by Scotland Yard ~ have been involved in working Madeleine McCann's reopened case for over seven years now.

These are the facts.

What is it you think Scotland Yard and the Policia Judiciaria are doing if not looking for Madeleine's abductor?

I assume from your answer that you don't have any evidence of what the PJ are investigating, you're assuming.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I assume from your answer that you don't have any evidence of what the PJ are investigating, you're assuming.

I’m assuming you’re assuming she’s assuming.

[Brietta]

I assume from your answer that you don't have any evidence of what the PJ are investigating, you're assuming.

I know for an absolute certainty that they are not investigating Kate and Gerry ... and I know that back in 2013 the only game in town being played by the Porto PJ was abduction.

Snip
Madeleine McCann's parents, Kate and Gerry, were in Portugal last week informally summoned by the Judiciary Police (PJ) who informed them of plans to reopen the investigation, a request that the Public Prosecutor (MP) announced Thursday to have accepted. .

The meeting took place last Thursday, the 17th, at the end of a meeting with Scotland Yard inspectors who are also investigating the disappearance of the English girl while vacationing with her family in Praia de Luz, Algarve, in May. of 2007.

The information is contained in a statement issued Thursday by the London Metropolitan Police and confirmed by a source from the PJ national directorate, who stated that the meeting took place at that police headquarters in Lisbon. The McCann lawyer, Rogério Alves, confirms that clients have been informed of the request to reopen the investigation. “This means the police understand that there are new ways that can be explored. And that has given parents a legitimate expectation that not only will the truth be discovered, but Madeleine can be discovered alive, which is the only goal of this effort they have been making, ”says the lawyer.
_______________________________________________________________________________#

The PUBLIC reported in the print edition this Thursday that the Portuguese authorities were considering reopening the case . PJ's request was the result of more than two years of work reviewing the process by a PJ do Porto team established in March 2011. A group of four inspectors led by research coordinator Helena Monteiro - who had never before contacted with the inquiry, thus avoiding any contamination in the appraisal - it will have identified witnesses who were never interviewed while the process was ongoing until July 2008.

This is confirmed in a statement released Thursday by PJ. “This review work, which took place over the last two and a half years, allowed us to discover new evidence that, by imposing further investigation, fulfills the requirements (...) for the reopening of the inquiry,” reads the note. According to PJ, as with all cases of missing children, despite the formal closure of the inquiry, “it continued to be attentive to any information that would make it possible to know the whereabouts of minor Madeleine McCann, the circumstances in which its disappearance and the identity of its author (s) occurred ”

Investigation focused on the kidnapping thesis
https://www.publico.pt/2013/10/24/sociedade/noticia/ministerio-publico-reabre-processo-do-desaparecimento-de-maddie-1610207

[pathfinder73]

They won't say what the final lead is so you know nothing.

[G-Unit]

I know for an absolute certainty that they are not investigating Kate and Gerry ... and I know that back in 2013 the only game in town being played by the Porto PJ was abduction.

Snip
Madeleine McCann's parents, Kate and Gerry, were in Portugal last week informally summoned by the Judiciary Police (PJ) who informed them of plans to reopen the investigation, a request that the Public Prosecutor (MP) announced Thursday to have accepted. .

The meeting took place last Thursday, the 17th, at the end of a meeting with Scotland Yard inspectors who are also investigating the disappearance of the English girl while vacationing with her family in Praia de Luz, Algarve, in May. of 2007.

The information is contained in a statement issued Thursday by the London Metropolitan Police and confirmed by a source from the PJ national directorate, who stated that the meeting took place at that police headquarters in Lisbon. The McCann lawyer, Rogério Alves, confirms that clients have been informed of the request to reopen the investigation. “This means the police understand that there are new ways that can be explored. And that has given parents a legitimate expectation that not only will the truth be discovered, but Madeleine can be discovered alive, which is the only goal of this effort they have been making, ”says the lawyer.
_______________________________________________________________________________#

The PUBLIC reported in the print edition this Thursday that the Portuguese authorities were considering reopening the case . PJ's request was the result of more than two years of work reviewing the process by a PJ do Porto team established in March 2011. A group of four inspectors led by research coordinator Helena Monteiro - who had never before contacted with the inquiry, thus avoiding any contamination in the appraisal - it will have identified witnesses who were never interviewed while the process was ongoing until July 2008.

This is confirmed in a statement released Thursday by PJ. “This review work, which took place over the last two and a half years, allowed us to discover new evidence that, by imposing further investigation, fulfills the requirements (...) for the reopening of the inquiry,” reads the note. According to PJ, as with all cases of missing children, despite the formal closure of the inquiry, “it continued to be attentive to any information that would make it possible to know the whereabouts of minor Madeleine McCann, the circumstances in which its disappearance and the identity of its author (s) occurred ”

Investigation focused on the kidnapping thesis
https://www.publico.pt/2013/10/24/sociedade/noticia/ministerio-publico-reabre-processo-do-desaparecimento-de-maddie-1610207

English police confirm in their note that the line of investigation followed by the Portuguese is distinct from that being explored by Scotland Yard.
https://www.publico.pt/2013/10/24/sociedade/noticia/ministerio-publico-reabre-processo-do-desaparecimento-de-maddie-1610207

[Vertigo Swirl]

They won't say what the final lead is so you know nothing.

You’re pretty certain you know though aren’t  you? 

[Vertigo Swirl]

They won't say what the final lead is so you know nothing.

lol
“IMO Smithman will be known within the walls of SY/PJ and a main reason why the case is on-going with unprecedented funding. They eliminated Tannerman a long time ago. They know who they are after!” - you, from another thread, claiming to know what the final lead is.

[Brietta]

lol
“IMO Smithman will be known within the walls of SY/PJ and a main reason why the case is on-going with unprecedented funding. They eliminated Tannerman a long time ago. They know who they are after!” - you, from another thread, claiming to know what the final lead is.

I think the panic may be that Madeleine's case is still very much an active ongoing one with the police of both countries knowing exactly what leads are being followed.

It is risible to imagine that centres around the ancient conspiracy theories interminably mulled over by some denizens of the internet and long ago discarded when scrutinised properly.

Logic indicates that the police are following certain lines of enquiry which are not made public in an active investigation.  The fact remains that back in 2013 when the investigation was opened, both Scotland Yard and the Policia Judiciaria stated the abduction theory publicly.
In the subsequent years they have not announced any change to that.

In my opinion they know exactly what they are doing or else Madeleine's case would not still be active;  and I think the conclusion to it may reveal a far bigger outcome than expected by any.

[G-Unit]

I would like to see evidence that the PJ were investigating 'abduction' in 2013.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I would like to see evidence that the PJ were investigating 'abduction' in 2013.

Here you go.  No doubt you won’t accept this as evidence.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/19/madeleine-mccann-police-intruder-girls-algarve

[Vertigo Swirl]

The Met got the case reopened based on new leads they had uncovered re: stranger abduction.  The Portuguese authorities would not have agreed to re-open the case on this premise if they did not accept that there were grounds to do so.  To suggest that the PJ re-opened the case but ignored the Met’s direction of travel to pursue their own previously abandoned theory that the McCanns dunnit (based on no new leads) is nothing short of fantastical, IMO.

[G-Unit]

Here you go.  No doubt you won’t accept this as evidence.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/19/madeleine-mccann-police-intruder-girls-algarve

Does it say the PJ were investigating an abduction?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Does it say the PJ were investigating an abduction?

It says that since the previous October 2013 their primary lines of investigation were  sex attacks on children in their holiday apartments in the Algarve.  What does that suggest to you?  That they were investigating the parents?

[G-Unit]

It says that since the previous October 2013 their primary lines of investigation were  sex attacks on children in their holiday apartments in the Algarve.  What does that suggest to you?  That they were investigating the parents?

No, it says that according to an unnamed source at the PJ's Lisbon headquarters 'evidence of a string of crimes had been the driving force behind Portuguese officials re-opening the case'.

So, was that true, or was it suspicions about a dead tractor driver?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2480161/Madeleine-McCann-investigations-main-suspect-died-4-years-ago.html