Wandering Off Topic

[Holly Goodhead]

McCann sceptics seem to adore cadaver dogs.

Jassi has asked what the dogs are scenting at ancient burial sites.  Are they scenting on cadaver odour?

[Vertigo Swirl]

This one doesn't, but if these dogs can genuinely sniff out ancient graves, then it gives a new insight into residual scents - IMO

Oh?  What new insights does it give us wrt to this case?  Do explain further. 

[Vertigo Swirl]

Jassi has asked what the dogs are scenting at ancient burial sites.  Are they scenting on cadaver odour?

Ask her - she has apparently gained new insights into the subject.

[jassi]

Oh?  What new insights does it give us wrt to this case?  Do explain further.

this is the Wandering off Topic topic and doesn't need to be directly related. 

[Vertigo Swirl]

this is the Wandering off Topic topic and doesn't need to be directly related. 

OK, well just generally then - what insights have you gained?  To me it seems to suggest that dog alerts cannot be relied on to find bodies in criminal cases, as there's always the chance that they are alerting to the body of Rameses II that was buried 2000 years ago, and has since been moved by grave robbers, and not to the freshly murdered child whose body was removed from the ground above Rameses II's erstwhile grave and chucked in a bin. 

[Holly Goodhead]

This one doesn't, but if these dogs can genuinely sniff out ancient graves, then it gives a new insight into residual scents - IMO

Could it be they are scenting on microorganisms that feed off ancient burial sites similar to the following:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halomonas_titanicae

I am always reminded of the awful smell in charity shops which is simply not present in non-charity shops; what is it?

[Holly Goodhead]

OK, well just generally then - what insights have you gained?  To me it seems to suggest that dog alerts cannot be relied on to find bodies in criminal cases, as there's always the chance that they are alerting to the body of Rameses II that was buried 2000 years ago, and has since been moved by grave robbers, and not to the freshly murdered child whose body was removed from the ground above Rameses II's erstwhile grave and chucked in a bin.

There's no doubt that cadaver odour is transferable on inanimate objects as per the police review into the disappearance of Shannon Matthews so in terms of Grimes/the dog alerts at 5A and the hire car it means squat.  If others want to believe otherwise they are perfectly entitled to do so but evidence is not on their side. 

[Mr Gray]

There's no doubt that cadaver odour is transferable on inanimate objects as per the police review into the disappearance of Shannon Matthews so in terms of Grimes/the dog alerts at 5A and the hire car it means squat.  If others want to believe otherwise they are perfectly entitled to do so but evidence is not on their side.

there isnt any real evidence on either side....the claim in the mathews case is nothing more than conjecture. What evidence have they given to support it...theres no doubt residual scent is transferable but no evidence how long it would last

[Holly Goodhead]

there isnt any real evidence on either side....the claim in the mathews case is nothing more than conjecture. What evidence have they given to support it...theres no doubt residual scent is transferable but no evidence how long it would last

No it isn't conjecture.  The police review of the SM case found that the dogs alerted to second-hand furniture where the original owners had passed away. 

[Mr Gray]

No it isn't conjecture.  The police review of the SM case found that the dogs alerted to second-hand furniture where the original owners had passed away.

How can the police be sure the alerts were to second hand furniture... It was an explanation offered... Nothing more

[Holly Goodhead]

How can the police be sure the alerts were to second hand furniture... It was an explanation offered... Nothing more

I would suggest because they didn't find any dead bodies and the person they were seeking was found alive. 

[Mr Gray]

I would suggest because they didn't find any dead bodies and the person they were seeking was found alive.

so its a suggestion...no proof. It could have also been a false positive

[The General]

so its a suggestion...no proof. It could have also been a false positive

Coupled with the remarkable coincidence that the dogs alerted to a 2nd hand piece of furniture that had indeed had a dead guy on it.
So no dead missing person, but dogs alerted to the couch. Pretty compelling. Would seem that the dogs were right on this occasion, which corroborates the theory.
Nice.

[Lace]

Coupled with the remarkable coincidence that the dogs alerted to a 2nd hand piece of furniture that had indeed had a dead guy on it.
So no dead missing person, but dogs alerted to the couch. Pretty compelling. Would seem that the dogs were right on this occasion, which corroborates the theory.
Nice.

Problem is 5a had other families stay there before Eddie alerted,  so he could have alerted to something to do with one of those families. 

[Mr Gray]

Coupled with the remarkable coincidence that the dogs alerted to a 2nd hand piece of furniture that had indeed had a dead guy on it.
So no dead missing person, but dogs alerted to the couch. Pretty compelling. Would seem that the dogs were right on this occasion, which corroborates the theory.
Nice.

where did it say the dogs alerted to the couch....