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Offline Anthro

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #6465 on: November 11, 2019, 09:14:01 AM »
Hi Barrier, if Madeleine never left Praia da Luz alive, what is your opinion on OG’s opinion, as to her remains’ whereabouts?

Offline barrier

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #6466 on: November 11, 2019, 09:24:21 AM »
Hi Barrier, if Madeleine never left Praia da Luz alive, what is your opinion on OG’s opinion, as to her remains’ whereabouts?

We know some 12 months later the team was dramatically scaled back,to just four from at one stage upward of 81 former officers plus the 30 or so employed in the MET,the bulk of the work was done and its again imo the only way save from a confession it'll end is along the lines of,person/persons unknown removed Madeleine from 5a with out leaving a trace to her whereabouts.They probably know who was involved but hard evidence will prevent any names being suggested.
Professional opinion ended the search for Ben Needham,nothing to suggest it'll not be the same with this case some 25 yrs down the line.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #6467 on: November 11, 2019, 03:14:45 PM »
Davel often claimed that the visitor numbers to this site was due to "Bots".  I have been following the visitor number to a thread I have been developing and I'm more convinced the visitor numbers are guests following the thread.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10611.0  Best thing about guests is that they don't say anything that interferes with the train of thought as I develop my new theory.

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Offline Brietta

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #6468 on: November 11, 2019, 05:48:34 PM »
Davel often claimed that the visitor numbers to this site was due to "Bots".  I have been following the visitor number to a thread I have been developing and I'm more convinced the visitor numbers are guests following the thread.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10611.0  Best thing about guests is that they don't say anything that interferes with the train of thought as I develop my new theory.

Quite few of us I believe, read the forum for a while prior to applying for membership.  I know I did.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline sadie

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #6469 on: November 11, 2019, 07:33:13 PM »
Sadie has gone into it in some depth, Anthro: http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3340.msg130233#msg130233
I agree that far from her thinking that Bushra Binhisa was the child being carried in the tourist photograph that is not her thinking at all.  She makes a very good case in support of her opinion as detailed in the post linked to above.

I think the woman in the Belgium photograph and the woman in the Moroccan photograph are strikingly similar: what I hadn't appreciated until fairly recently was just how dangerous it would have been to have carried out any inquiries in the Molenbeek area which is apparently where the child seen in her company lived with her father.

I am as convinced as the people who saw the child in the street that her resemblance to Madeleine McCann is uncanny.

That would be because Molenbeek St John in central Brussels is a major drug processing and distributing centre globally.

It's raw materials were extensively grown in the Rif Mountains of Morocco and processed into Cannabis and other illicit drugs, then distributed from Molenbeek St John around the World.  Molenbeek St John = Drug Baron country ... and so is Zinat; both are Drug Baron country.

Leh in tha Himalayas likewise; it is where almost all the Hash smoked in India enters the country.


So why was this 'respectable' man living in such a dangerous and undesirable pl;ace ?

Do you think the police there were bought or even in  fear of their lives ?   can we trust repoprts from these threre places?

All three places were where Madeleine was sighted?

What might we deduce from that ?

Offline The General

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #6470 on: November 12, 2019, 08:29:30 AM »
Quite few of us I believe, read the forum for a while prior to applying for membership.  I know I did.
They're overwhelmingly bots / crawlers, mainly Google. I would suggest up to 80%, as up to 38% of all internet activity is bots.
Subject Matter Expert - Hobos.

Offline The General

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #6471 on: November 12, 2019, 08:46:34 AM »
That would be because Molenbeek St John in central Brussels is a major drug processing and distributing centre globally.

It's raw materials were extensively grown in the Rif Mountains of Morocco and processed into Cannabis and other illicit drugs, then distributed from Molenbeek St John around the World.  Molenbeek St John = Drug Baron country ... and so is Zinat; both are Drug Baron country.

Leh in tha Himalayas likewise; it is where almost all the Hash smoked in India enters the country.


So why was this 'respectable' man living in such a dangerous and undesirable pl;ace ?

Do you think the police there were bought or even in  fear of their lives ?   can we trust repoprts from these threre places?

All three places were where Madeleine was sighted?

What might we deduce from that ?

Really? You mean 'supposedly' sighted and later dismissed.
There's nothing to deduce from any of it. It's another rabbit hole. The evidence, apart from the two women depicted looking absolutely nothing like each other (one 'Mother' Theresa - does not look capable of carrying a child on her back, the other Rory Best, looks capable of carrying a Mini Cooper on her back), is that both of the girls were positively ID'd.*





*all of the above is the opinion of 'The General'. 'The General' freely admits that most of the content he posts is irrelevant and erroneous and should be treated with the contempt it deserves. The rest of the content is solid gold internet fodder, that's been verified by a crack team of ex-special forces and intelligence service operatives, operating from a converted grain silo in Herefordshire, most of whom think they're working for someone else.

Subject Matter Expert - Hobos.

Offline Brietta

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #6472 on: November 12, 2019, 09:03:53 AM »
Really? You mean 'supposedly' sighted and later dismissed.
There's nothing to deduce from any of it. It's another rabbit hole. The evidence, apart from the two women depicted looking absolutely nothing like each other (one 'Mother' Theresa - does not look capable of carrying a child on her back, the other Rory Best, looks capable of carrying a Mini Cooper on her back), is that both of the girls were positively ID'd.*





*all of the above is the opinion of 'The General'. 'The General' freely admits that most of the content he posts is irrelevant and erroneous and should be treated with the contempt it deserves. The rest of the content is solid gold internet fodder, that's been verified by a crack team of ex-special forces and intelligence service operatives, operating from a converted grain silo in Herefordshire, most of whom think they're working for someone else.

The little girl seen on the CCTV footage outside the bank was identified when her father popped down and did so at the local police station where he claimed she was his daughter and the woman with her was her nanny..
I wonder, why was his word enough??
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline The General

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #6473 on: November 12, 2019, 09:10:16 AM »
The little girl seen on the CCTV footage outside the bank was identified when her father popped down and did so at the local police station where he claimed she was his daughter and the woman with her was her nanny..
I wonder, why was his word enough??
I would expect that veracity of the claim to be checked in some manner, given that, you know, it's pretty easy to do, check if a guy has a child. Besides, if the man is now thrust in to the public eye across the globe, you'd have to be a special kind of stupid to not be the father of the child and pop down to the local police station and make the claim.
Subject Matter Expert - Hobos.

Offline Brietta

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #6474 on: November 12, 2019, 10:44:46 AM »
I would expect that veracity of the claim to be checked in some manner, given that, you know, it's pretty easy to do, check if a guy has a child. Besides, if the man is now thrust in to the public eye across the globe, you'd have to be a special kind of stupid to not be the father of the child and pop down to the local police station and make the claim.

We are talking here about the country where public demonstrations occurred in protest at the police handling of the cases involving Marc Dutroux.
Snip
The official explanation for the delay is that hysterical conspiracy theories forced investigators to search for paedophile networks which didn't exist. But far from being investigated, leads pointing to a network seem rather to have been ignored or buried.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/may/05/dutroux.featuresreview

In a country where apparently the mother of a murdered child was not allowed to see her body but the alleged murderer was allowed to identify the victim ... a little girl resembling a missing child is seen on CCTV footage and a man claiming to be her father is enough to resolve the issue ??

You think his claim must have been verified officially ... where can you or I see an account of that as we wonder what is taking up the precious time of Scotland Yard and the Policia Judiciaria ?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline jassi

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #6475 on: November 12, 2019, 11:28:39 AM »
Why do you think you are entitled to see an account of this?
Would you expect to see similar in UK?

Can I assume you have added Belgium police to your list of incompetents ?
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline The General

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #6476 on: November 12, 2019, 12:16:45 PM »
We are talking here about the country where public demonstrations occurred in protest at the police handling of the cases involving Marc Dutroux.
Snip
The official explanation for the delay is that hysterical conspiracy theories forced investigators to search for paedophile networks which didn't exist. But far from being investigated, leads pointing to a network seem rather to have been ignored or buried.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/may/05/dutroux.featuresreview

In a country where apparently the mother of a murdered child was not allowed to see her body but the alleged murderer was allowed to identify the victim ... a little girl resembling a missing child is seen on CCTV footage and a man claiming to be her father is enough to resolve the issue ??

You think his claim must have been verified officially ... where can you or I see an account of that as we wonder what is taking up the precious time of Scotland Yard and the Policia Judiciaria ?
What are you going on about? Is the Belgian justice system knackered as well now?
It's not her. Move on. Or are we going to start dredging up the birth certificates of more kids to satisfy your lust for transparent rigour?
And you accuse 'sceptics' of being fantasists? The brass neck of it.
Subject Matter Expert - Hobos.

Offline Brietta

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #6477 on: November 12, 2019, 12:17:27 PM »
Why do you think you are entitled to see an account of this?
Would you expect to see similar in UK?

Can I assume you have added Belgium police to your list of incompetents ?

You obviously didn't bother to read the link I provided ... here is another one which may be more to your liking?

300,000 Protest Belgium’s Handling of Pedophile Case
By DEAN E. MURPHY
OCT. 21, 1996 12 AM
TIMES STAFF WRITER

BRUSSELS —  Capping an extraordinary week of public demonstrations, about 300,000 people marched through the streets of the Belgian capital Sunday to protest the authorities’ handling of a highly charged pedophile scandal and to draw attention to the unknown fate of about 10 missing children.
________________________________________________________

Authorities said the orderly and sometimes teary crowd, carrying white flowers and balloons as symbols of innocence and purity, was among the largest in Belgian history. It surpassed the size of protests during the tense Cold War years of the early 1980s, when peace activists across Europe took to the streets to oppose the deployment of U.S. missiles on the Continent.
________________________________________________________

Even veterans of other demonstrations--including the legendary social upheavals of 1968--said none carried the moral grounding and genuine grass-roots concern that presided at Sunday’s event like the guiding hand of a watchful parent.
________________________________________________________

But the inward questioning has been increasingly overshadowed by intense rage toward the country’s political and judicial systems, which have come under scrutiny because of allegations of incompetence, corruption and complicity in the pedophile case. Recently, there have been reports in the Belgian media that investigators are pursuing evidence that might link senior political figures to Dutroux.

The enormous public anger began spilling into the streets last week when a respected state investigator was removed from the case by the country’s top court.
________________________________________________________

Auto workers blocked roads. Bus drivers refused to drive. Postal workers delivered sacks of spaghetti to judicial officials. And firefighters in Liege, where much of the scandal has been centered, turned their water jets on the Palace of Justice.

“When justice goes bad, people have to do what they have to do, just like in the old times,” said Johan, a 28-year-old unemployed construction worker who would not give his last name because he is related to a main suspect in the pedophile case.

“If you are going to rule by the letter of the law, then it should be that way for everyone, not just working Belgians with no political connections.”

The political fallout has not been lost on the country’s rulers. In a rare break with accepted protocol limiting his involvement in politics, Belgian King Albert II hosted a seminar on child abuse Friday, during which he called for a “moral revival and a profound change in our country.”
________________________________________________________

After the rally on Sunday, Prime Minister Jean-Luc Dehaene met with leaders of the protest, promising to push for several significant reforms in the Belgian justice system that could make a repeat of the Dutroux affair less likely, including depoliticizing the method for choosing magistrates.

The prime minister also pledged that the Dutroux investigation will be pursued “to its end” without any political interference and that disciplinary action will be taken against anyone found to have bungled the case.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1996-10-21-mn-56209-story.html
________________________________________________________



Please don't bother to assume anything about my unstated opinions.  Rather pay some attention to the opinions of the people most directly affected by corruption and or incompetence and in this case spare a thought for the murdered children the two who were starved to death and those missing with no-one knowing their fate.






"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #6478 on: November 12, 2019, 12:17:53 PM »
Why do you think you are entitled to see an account of this?
Would you expect to see similar in UK?

Can I assume you have added Belgium police to your list of incompetents ?

I notice no-one ever gets excited about the sightings in the UK, of which there were plenty in Appenso 5
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #6479 on: November 12, 2019, 12:36:58 PM »
You obviously didn't bother to read the link I provided ... here is another one which may be more to your liking?

300,000 Protest Belgium’s Handling of Pedophile Case
By DEAN E. MURPHY
OCT. 21, 1996 12 AM
TIMES STAFF WRITER

BRUSSELS —  Capping an extraordinary week of public demonstrations, about 300,000 people marched through the streets of the Belgian capital Sunday to protest the authorities’ handling of a highly charged pedophile scandal and to draw attention to the unknown fate of about 10 missing children.
________________________________________________________

Authorities said the orderly and sometimes teary crowd, carrying white flowers and balloons as symbols of innocence and purity, was among the largest in Belgian history. It surpassed the size of protests during the tense Cold War years of the early 1980s, when peace activists across Europe took to the streets to oppose the deployment of U.S. missiles on the Continent.
________________________________________________________

Even veterans of other demonstrations--including the legendary social upheavals of 1968--said none carried the moral grounding and genuine grass-roots concern that presided at Sunday’s event like the guiding hand of a watchful parent.
________________________________________________________

But the inward questioning has been increasingly overshadowed by intense rage toward the country’s political and judicial systems, which have come under scrutiny because of allegations of incompetence, corruption and complicity in the pedophile case. Recently, there have been reports in the Belgian media that investigators are pursuing evidence that might link senior political figures to Dutroux.

The enormous public anger began spilling into the streets last week when a respected state investigator was removed from the case by the country’s top court.
________________________________________________________

Auto workers blocked roads. Bus drivers refused to drive. Postal workers delivered sacks of spaghetti to judicial officials. And firefighters in Liege, where much of the scandal has been centered, turned their water jets on the Palace of Justice.

“When justice goes bad, people have to do what they have to do, just like in the old times,” said Johan, a 28-year-old unemployed construction worker who would not give his last name because he is related to a main suspect in the pedophile case.

“If you are going to rule by the letter of the law, then it should be that way for everyone, not just working Belgians with no political connections.”

The political fallout has not been lost on the country’s rulers. In a rare break with accepted protocol limiting his involvement in politics, Belgian King Albert II hosted a seminar on child abuse Friday, during which he called for a “moral revival and a profound change in our country.”
________________________________________________________

After the rally on Sunday, Prime Minister Jean-Luc Dehaene met with leaders of the protest, promising to push for several significant reforms in the Belgian justice system that could make a repeat of the Dutroux affair less likely, including depoliticizing the method for choosing magistrates.

The prime minister also pledged that the Dutroux investigation will be pursued “to its end” without any political interference and that disciplinary action will be taken against anyone found to have bungled the case.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1996-10-21-mn-56209-story.html
________________________________________________________



Please don't bother to assume anything about my unstated opinions.  Rather pay some attention to the opinions of the people most directly affected by corruption and or incompetence and in this case spare a thought for the murdered children the two who were starved to death and those missing with no-one knowing their fate.

In the UK all they had to do was get a job looking after unfortunate children.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/oct/09/sarahhall
https://www.essexlive.news/news/essex-news/meet-billericay-author-who-overcame-1671738
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