Wandering Off Topic

[The General]

What's with the deleted post Eleanor? Bored? Poor old Davey? C'mon, give it a rest, it's embarrassing.
Ever deleted any of Davey's posts, such as the character slur on GUnit earlier today?

[Eleanor]

At least you have moved on to 1974.  That's only 45 years out of date.  At this rate you might be current by Christmas.

 

Such a pity that The PJ and some of The Judges haven't caught up either.

[Mr Gray]

Well I'm not suggesting that religious leaning is an indicator of morality - in fact I may argue the opposite is true. But then you knew that.
The point, as you probably knew when you cherry picked the word 'devout', was in answer to a previous comment from Bruschetta, asking the age old question 'do you have any clue as to what fascism is?' To which I gegged in, bearing in mind it's a public forum, and interjected, giving my take on Portugal's previous regime not being 'fascist' in the popularly understood context.
Whilst Salazar was a catholic and pretty pious in his beliefs and habits (he basically had naff all), I was demonstrating that the lazy comparison to the archetypal 'fascist' dictator is not quite accurate or indeed fair. And as I also previously stated, the Circular 14 was more of an economic defence, as opposed to some ideological dictate.

But the opinion on whether he was or wasn't fascist seems to be divided..

. Scholars such as Stanley G. Payne, Thomas Gerard Gallagher, Juan José Linz, António Costa Pinto, Roger Griffin, Robert Paxton and Howard J. Wiarda, prefer to consider the Portuguese Estado Novo (Portugal) as conservative authoritarian rather than fascist. On the other hand Portuguese scholars like Fernando Rosas, Manuel Villaverde Cabral, Manuel de Lucena and Manuel Loff think that the Estado Novo should be considered fascist.[3]

[Eleanor]

What's with the deleted post Eleanor? Bored? Poor old Davey? C'mon, give it a rest, it's embarrassing.
Ever deleted any of Davey's posts, such as the character slur on GUnit earlier today?

I haven't Deleted anything.  I am enjoying this discussion.  So you are wrong again, Sweet Cheeks.

[Mr Gray]

What's with the deleted post Eleanor? Bored? Poor old Davey? C'mon, give it a rest, it's embarrassing.
Ever deleted any of Davey's posts, such as the character slur on GUnit earlier today?

Eleanor has in fact deleted posts of mine... And I missed the slur on gunit

[The General]

Such a pity that The PJ and some of The Judges haven't caught up either.

How far back should we go trace this unbroken line of ineptitude and barbarity? '74? Coup de tat 1926?
WHO IS TO BLAME FOR CREATING AMARAL? ALFONSO 1?

[Eleanor]

Eleanor has in fact deleted posts of mine... And I missed the slur on gunit

I am not a Deleter.  Unless it can't be avoided.

Unfortunately, I can't tell anyone who did because they would have to kill me.

[The General]

Eleanor has in fact deleted posts of mine... And I missed the slur on gunit

You seem to despise the UK which I find very odd

Despise the UK? What an odd, crass, lame statement to make.
But it goes unchecked by your gatekeepers. Got it.

[Mr Gray]

Despise the UK? What an odd, crass, lame statement to make.
But it goes unchecked by your gatekeepers. Got it.

Gunit does seem to me to despise the UK... It's police.. It's young people...

[The General]

But the opinion on whether he was or wasn't fascist seems to be divided..

. Scholars such as Stanley G. Payne, Thomas Gerard Gallagher, Juan José Linz, António Costa Pinto, Roger Griffin, Robert Paxton and Howard J. Wiarda, prefer to consider the Portuguese Estado Novo (Portugal) as conservative authoritarian rather than fascist. On the other hand Portuguese scholars like Fernando Rosas, Manuel Villaverde Cabral, Manuel de Lucena and Manuel Loff think that the Estado Novo should be considered fascist.[3]

It does. It is. Hence my point, it's by no means clear cut.
If I were to ask the same about Nazi Germany, I think it's quite unequivocal as to what most rational scholars would say.
I say again, and the reason for me entering the discussion in the first instance; Portugal circa WW2 was not a 'traditional' fascist state, as was purported.

[The General]

Gunit does seem to me to despise the UK... It's police.. It's young people...

Put the boot on the Bruschetta / Eleanor foot - it could be argued that they 'despise' Portugal - it's the police, it's the young people, it's the paedo gangs....
I wouldn't argue that, because it's a crass statement to make.

And the post that was deleted by nobody? It was really funny - you would have had a wee giggle, I know it.

[Mr Gray]

It does. It is. Hence my point, it's by no means clear cut.
If I were to ask the same about Nazi Germany, I think it's quite unequivocal as to what most rational scholars would say.
I say again, and the reason for me entering the discussion in the first instance; Portugal circa WW2 was not a 'traditional' fascist state, as was purported.

Who said it was a traditional fascist state.... Or is that an inference you have made

[Mr Gray]

Put the boot on the Bruschetta / Eleanor foot - it could be argued that they 'despise' Portugal - it's the police, it's the young people, it's the paedo gangs....
I wouldn't argue that, because it's a crass statement to make.

And the post that was deleted by nobody? It was really funny - you would have had a wee giggle, I know it.

I find gunits attitude odd... Even my post Re the British army and it's role in saving people from the tyranny of hitler  didn't seem to deserve any credit from her

[The General]

Who said it was a traditional fascist state.... Or is that an inference you have made

Purely fascist, was the actual term.

What exactly purely was it then?

[Brietta]

Well I'm not suggesting that religious leaning is an indicator of morality - in fact I may argue the opposite is true. But then you knew that.
The point, as you probably knew when you cherry picked the word 'devout', was in answer to a previous comment from Bruschetta, asking the age old question 'do you have any clue as to what fascism is?' To which I gegged in, bearing in mind it's a public forum, and interjected, giving my take on Portugal's previous regime not being 'fascist' in the popularly understood context.
Whilst Salazar was a catholic and pretty pious in his beliefs and habits (he basically had naff all), I was demonstrating that the lazy comparison to the archetypal 'fascist' dictator is not quite accurate or indeed fair. And as I also previously stated, the Circular 14 was more of an economic defence, as opposed to some ideological dictate.

You never do get it quite right do you.  I know what fascism is and it is not a question I would pose to a. n. other nor did I ever believe the lie that under it the trains all ran on time.