Wandering Off Topic

[Vertigo Swirl]

They should. It's actually part of the Code of Conduct. But they rarely are. I'm an advocate of stress and pressure being applied in certain circumstances, yes. I'm twisted like that. And I've been on the receiving end - and I'm in favour!
By the way, I am in charge.

Yes dear, time for your meds.

[Mr Gray]

They should. It's actually part of the Code of Conduct. But they rarely are. I'm an advocate of stress and pressure being applied in certain circumstances, yes. I'm twisted like that. And I've been on the receiving end - and I'm in favour!
By the way, I am in charge.

I can't see any justification for beating the he'll out of Cipriano particularly when there's no evidence she's guilty

[Eleanor]

Thank you. So when Kate and Gerry lied about him being ill.........untrustworthy.

Hardly.  The McCanns did not commit Perjury.

[The General]

Hardly.  The McCanns did not commit Perjury.

So all lies are different? Even when the accused does not admit to it? And people who admit it are OK?

[Eleanor]

So all lies are different? Even when the accused does not admit to it? And people who admit it are OK?

The McCanns did not lie, they merely offered an excuse which Kate later explained.  And well you know it.

[Vertigo Swirl]

So all lies are different? Even when the accused does not admit to it? And people who admit it are OK?

Actually yes, all lies are different.  There are big lies, little lies, white lies, fibs, untruths, half-truths. 
Someone who stands in a dock and under oath tells a lie has committed a serious offence.  Someone who says "I can't come out today cos I've got a tummy bug" when actually they have just recovered from a tummy bug and are 90% better and then later admit they made an excuse has not committed a serious offence.  Unless you see them both as equally heinous crimes?

[Mr Gray]

When the lie told results in someone being imprisoned for the best part of 20 years when they may well be innocent... Then it's serious

[Lace]

Thank you. So when Kate and Gerry lied about him being ill.........untrustworthy.

Gerry was ill,  they just bigged it up a bit.   Anyway,  they weren't allowed to mention the investigation two years in prison if they did,  so what were they supposed to do?

[The General]

Which is it then? Lying's OK if you admit it? Being found guilty of perjury isn't, but the accused never admitted it? But isn't the Portuguese judicial system irrevocably broken, the government fascists and the economy third world? Or is it suddenly, or even sporadically world class? But one conviction is safe (Snr Gonzo), but another isn't (Leonor). A small lie is OK to sand bag and retrofit, but 'overseeing' the administrative element of pressure on a convicted child killer is barbarism?
You guys, you crack me right up. Not. I find your revisionism, conceit and facetiousness incongruent, but not surprising. And for what? Because a policeman didn't give you the outcome you wanted, so you're willing to compromise your own conscious. When the nasty policeman was giving me a kicking with his mates in a cell, I had the good grace to admit I deserved it for being an arsehole. (The key is to cover your head, roll up in a ball, tuck your elbows in, knees to the chest - they rarely go for the face, which is something). Fair one. My only regret was not running fast enough.

And I'm twisted? (I am twisted, I admit it). At least I'm honest and refuse to be a sycophantic shitbag.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Which is it then? Lying's OK if you admit it? Being found guilty of perjury isn't, but the accused never admitted it? But isn't the Portuguese judicial system irrevocably broken, the government fascists and the economy third world? Or is it suddenly, or even sporadically world class? But one conviction is safe (Snr Gonzo), but another isn't (Leonor). A small lie is OK to sand bag and retrofit, but 'overseeing' the administrative element of pressure on a convicted child killer is barbarism?
You guys, you crack me right up. Not. I find your revisionism, conceit and facetiousness incongruent, but not surprising. And for what? Because a policeman didn't give you the outcome you wanted, so you're willing to compromise your own conscious. When the nasty policeman was giving me a kicking with his mates in a cell, I had the good grace to admit I deserved it for being an arsehole. (The key is to cover your head, roll up in a ball, tuck your elbows in, knees to the chest - they rarely go for the face, which is something). Fair one. My only regret was not running fast enough.

And I'm twisted? (I am twisted, I admit it). At least I'm honest and refuse to be a sycophantic shitbag.

Oh wow I have been totally “owned” by that incoherent rant.  Not. 

[Mr Gray]

Which is it then? Lying's OK if you admit it? Being found guilty of perjury isn't, but the accused never admitted it? But isn't the Portuguese judicial system irrevocably broken, the government fascists and the economy third world? Or is it suddenly, or even sporadically world class? But one conviction is safe (Snr Gonzo), but another isn't (Leonor). A small lie is OK to sand bag and retrofit, but 'overseeing' the administrative element of pressure on a convicted child killer is barbarism?
You guys, you crack me right up. Not. I find your revisionism, conceit and facetiousness incongruent, but not surprising. And for what? Because a policeman didn't give you the outcome you wanted, so you're willing to compromise your own conscious. When the nasty policeman was giving me a kicking with his mates in a cell, I had the good grace to admit I deserved it for being an arsehole. (The key is to cover your head, roll up in a ball, tuck your elbows in, knees to the chest - they rarely go for the face, which is something). Fair one. My only regret was not running fast enough.

And I'm twisted? (I am twisted, I admit it). At least I'm honest and refuse to be a sycophantic shitbag.

You can call other posters, any names you want but it reflects badly on you rather than them
As regards Portuguese or any court it's the evidence that's important.  There was overwhelming evidence amaral was guilty of perjury and next to no evidence cipriano was guilty.  Perhaps if you knew more about the cases you might understand

[Vertigo Swirl]

Which is it then? Lying's OK if you admit it? Being found guilty of perjury isn't, but the accused never admitted it? But isn't the Portuguese judicial system irrevocably broken, the government fascists and the economy third world? Or is it suddenly, or even sporadically world class? But one conviction is safe (Snr Gonzo), but another isn't (Leonor). A small lie is OK to sand bag and retrofit, but 'overseeing' the administrative element of pressure on a convicted child killer is barbarism?
You guys, you crack me right up. Not. I find your revisionism, conceit and facetiousness incongruent, but not surprising. And for what? Because a policeman didn't give you the outcome you wanted, so you're willing to compromise your own conscious. When the nasty policeman was giving me a kicking with his mates in a cell, I had the good grace to admit I deserved it for being an arsehole. (The key is to cover your head, roll up in a ball, tuck your elbows in, knees to the chest - they rarely go for the face, which is something). Fair one. My only regret was not running fast enough.

And I'm twisted? (I am twisted, I admit it). At least I'm honest and refuse to be a sycophantic shitbag.

You might be twisted enough to believe that police brutality is fair enough when you’re guilty but what about when you’re not?  Do you trust the police to be discerning enough to only kick the shit out of thieving b........s like you, and not out of some innocent bystander at a crime scene?

[The General]

You might be twisted enough to believe that police brutality is fair enough when you’re guilty but what about when you’re not?  Do you trust the police to be discerning enough to only kick the shit out of thieving b......s like you, and not out of some innocent bystander at a crime scene?

Hang on, I'm no thief! Twisted, check. Arsehole, check. Knobhead on a night out, check. Assaulted a bouncer (started as self-defence) by smashing his head in to the light cluster of a parked car, check.
What was the question?

[The General]

You can call other posters, any names you want but it reflects badly on you rather than them

This is your go to!

[The General]

Oh wow I have been totally “owned” by that incoherent rant.  Not.

Nobody expects the glove puppet to comprehend, they're just surprised when it speaks.