Wandering Off Topic

[The General]

Do you think that four people are out on the streets in different countries looking for Madeleine?   That is what your post seems to imply.   There is Technology in case you have forgotten,  people can get in touch with others very easily.  Th ere is also the Portuguese Police who are also looking for Madeleine,  these two teams are in close contact
with one another.  Dear me how some seem to think,  people including the McCann's should be searching streets knocking on doors searching for Madeleine makes me despair.

I think Spamage was referring to the depleted resources available to Operation Grange.

[Mr Gray]

I think Spamage was referring to the depleted resources available to Operation Grange.

I think four full time officers is quite a lit of manpower in the circumstances... Makes me wonder... Either they sit round all day eating biscuits or there really is some info being investigated

[The General]

I think four full time officers is quite a lit of manpower in the circumstances... Makes me wonder... Either they sit round all day eating biscuits or there really is some info being investigated

Indeed. I did the maths a few weeks ago. CBA doing it again. But 4 plod, plus a car, plus prelims, no overtime, 35 hour week, no civil support = the most recently allocated budget.
Maybe they are Policemefecating, but they won't do much with those resources.

[Mr Gray]

Indeed. I did the maths a few weeks ago. CBA doing it again. But 4 plod, plus a car, plus prelims, no overtime, 35 hour week, no civil support = the most recently allocated budget.
Maybe they are Policemefecating, but they won't do much with those resources.

They must be doing something reasonably substantial otherwise why employ 4....

[The General]

They must be doing something reasonably substantial otherwise why employ 4....

I reckon they're bound by SY protocol / HR  / H&S and all that. So if they go somewhere they have to have 2 (not sure if that rule applies popping out to Gregg's). So 3 would be an odd number. 1 will be more senior I imagine, for process, maybe a DS.
I've said it before, but I doubt there was a queue when they were looking for volunteers - no overtime.
Plus if there's 4 they can play doubles in darts.

[Brietta]

Just a passing thought ... is it customary to deride and rubbish all active police operations ... or is the bile, vitriol and derision reserved uniquely for any sort of positive pro-active investigation into Madeleine McCann's case.

Why are some individuals so biased against the British police (it seems there is ignorance that Portugal too have devoted personnel and resources) tasked with working a missing person case.

Is their negativity towards taking steps to solve Madeleine's case directed towards all missing persons or is it reserved exclusively for Madeleine McCann.  In my opinion whether it is the former or the latter ... each is equally reprehensible.

[Wonderfulspam]

I think four full time officers is quite a lit of manpower in the circumstances... Makes me wonder... Either they sit round all day eating biscuits or there really is some info being investigated

We'll find out soon enough. Either that or, we'll all be here in years to come & Maddie still won't be found, nor any abductor.

My money is on the latter.

[G-Unit]

Just a passing thought ... is it customary to deride and rubbish all active police operations ... or is the bile, vitriol and derision reserved for uniquely for any sort of positive pro-active investigation into Madeleine McCann's case.

Why are some individuals so biased against the British police (it seems there is ignorance that Portugal too have devoted personnel and resources) tasked with working a missing person case.

Is their negativity towards taking steps to solve Madeleine's case directed towards all missing persons or is it reserved exclusively for Madeleine McCann.  In my opinion whether it is the former or the latter ... each is equally reprehensible.

All police forces have cases they can't solve, and it seems Operation Grange may well be such a case. The difference to other cases being that they volunteered to take it on, they appear to have done so with preconceived ideas and there's never been any sign of success.

[Wonderfulspam]

Just a passing thought ... is it customary to deride and rubbish all active police operations ... or is the bile, vitriol and derision reserved uniquely for any sort of positive pro-active investigation into Madeleine McCann's case.

Why are some individuals so biased against the British police (it seems there is ignorance that Portugal too have devoted personnel and resources) tasked with working a missing person case.

Is their negativity towards taking steps to solve Madeleine's case directed towards all missing persons or is it reserved exclusively for Madeleine McCann.  In my opinion whether it is the former or the latter ... each is equally reprehensible.

I believe investigating an abduction that didn't happen is a massive waste of tax payers money.

12 million squid could have filled a lot of pot holes. Much more worth while imo.

[ShiningInLuz]

This is on-topic, if only I could be a***d to find the correct topic.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-51533563

Rikki Neave was 6 years old when he was murdered in Peterborough in Nov 94.  His body was found the day after he disappeared.  He had been strangled.

The Britcops went after his mother Ruth Neave.  She was found not guilty of murder, but she got 7 years for child neglect.  Kate's so-called deal for body occultation carried a maximum term of 2 years, typically suspended.

The link gives an insight into how Britcops conduct a cold case murder review, and how long that takes when they have a body and it is on home turf.

A man has been charged with Rikki's murder.  As he is now 38, 25 years ago he was 13, so presumably proceedings will relate to an offence committed by a minor.

 

[Mr Gray]

All police forces have cases they can't solve, and it seems Operation Grange may well be such a case. The difference to other cases being that they volunteered to take it on, they appear to have done so with preconceived ideas and there's never been any sign of success.

It's a sceptic mantra that SY we're limited to abduction... I think it was just a working hypothesis that could change depending on evidence found...

[The General]

Just a passing thought ... is it customary to deride and rubbish all active police operations ... or is the bile, vitriol and derision reserved uniquely for any sort of positive pro-active investigation into Madeleine McCann's case.

Why are some individuals so biased against the British police (it seems there is ignorance that Portugal too have devoted personnel and resources) tasked with working a missing person case.

Is their negativity towards taking steps to solve Madeleine's case directed towards all missing persons or is it reserved exclusively for Madeleine McCann.  In my opinion whether it is the former or the latter ... each is equally reprehensible.

From my perspective, there's no 'bile' or vitriol', that's usually reserved for the PJ by supporters.
But there is derision. Because the investigation thus far, several years and £12 million and counting, has delivered derisory results. Whilst I'm not too concerned about my 78p contribution or whatever it is, the Operation Grange staff - and it initially numbered scores of police - could be put to way better use.
I have a modicum of sympathy for the various heads of Grange, it's a poisoned chalice; a veritable graveyard for senior police chiefs - kicked out to the long grass, then retire creeping out the back door clutching a gold clock and a final salary pension

By the way, your point regarding the Portuguese police expending resources and time is moot; we don't live in Portugal, they can spend their money how they deem fit. Unless you live in Portugal, of course.

Life support must be switched off this time round.

[Mr Gray]

From my perspective, there's no 'bile' or vitriol', that's usually reserved for the PJ by supporters.
But there is derision. Because the investigation thus far, several years and £12 million and counting, has delivered derisory results. Whilst I'm not too concerned about my 78p contribution or whatever it is, the Operation Grange staff - and it initially numbered scores of police - could be put to way better use.
I have a modicum of sympathy for the various heads of Grange, it's a poisoned chalice; a veritable graveyard for senior police chiefs - kicked out to the long grass, then retire creeping out the back door clutching a gold clock and a final salary pension

By the way, your point regarding the Portuguese police expending resources and time is moot; we don't live in Portugal, they can spend their money how they deem fit. Unless you live in Portugal, of course.

Life support must be switched off this time round.

There's no bile or vitriol from me towards the initial pj investigation... Just derision... The present lot seem more professional.. Id prefer to wait and see what SY come up with before making a judgement

[Brietta]

All police forces have cases they can't solve, and it seems Operation Grange may well be such a case. The difference to other cases being that they volunteered to take it on, they appear to have done so with preconceived ideas and there's never been any sign of success.

A criminal offence has been committed and when I last looked it seems the police are committed to investigating all such as long as there is evidence which warrants it.
Madeleine's investigation is still ongoing so obviously there is still work to be carried out on it and evidence to justify doing so.
In my opinion it would at the least be polite to wait for the eventual outcome of Madeleine's investigation and also respectful to the concept of law and order.

[The General]

A criminal offence has been committed and when I last looked it seems the police are committed to investigating all such as long as there is evidence which warrants it.
Madeleine's investigation is still ongoing so obviously there is still work to be carried out on it and evidence to justify doing so.
In my opinion it would at the least be polite to wait for the eventual outcome of Madeleine's investigation and also respectful to the concept of law and order.

How long for? Indefinitely? How much money is reasonable? £100 million?