Wandering Off Topic

[Mr Gray]

Libel?

As I understand you can only libel individual officers..not the police force. The court ruled she was beaten whilst in custody so there's no doubt she was beaten by the PJ

[G-Unit]

As I understand you can only libel individual officers..not the police force. The court ruled she was beaten whilst in custody so there's no doubt she was beaten by the PJ

It's nice to know that some conclusions reached by the Portuguese courts are accepted.

[Eleanor]

It's nice to know that some conclusions reached by the Portuguese courts are accepted.

Fat lot of good that did her.  The PJ beat her up but it's her fault she didn't know by whom.

[The General]

As I understand you can only libel individual officers..not the police force. The court ruled she was beaten whilst in custody so there's no doubt she was beaten by the PJ

Cite please. That would be a decent read.

Also, point out the bit where it specifically states that, during this period of incarceration, she was:
1. definitely beaten up and that;
2. it was perpetrated by PJ officers.

Please. DAVEL.

[misty]

Cite please. That would be a decent read.

Also, point out the bit where it specifically states that, during this period of incarceration, she was:
1. definitely beaten up and that;
2. it was perpetrated by PJ officers.

Please. DAVEL.

http://home.iscte-iul.pt/~apad/ACED_juristas/maddietrab_ficheiros/Acordao%20Leonor%20Cipriano%20contra%20Goncalo%20e%20outros.%2022Maio2009.pdf

You can run the whole document through Google Translate.

[The General]

http://home.iscte-iul.pt/~apad/ACED_juristas/maddietrab_ficheiros/Acordao%20Leonor%20Cipriano%20contra%20Goncalo%20e%20outros.%2022Maio2009.pdf

You can run the whole document through Google Translate.

Be a darling and run it through for me, my dear old fruit.

Joking. Thanks for that.

[Mr Gray]

Cite please. That would be a decent read.

Also, point out the bit where it specifically states that, during this period of incarceration, she was:
1. definitely beaten up and that;
2. it was perpetrated by PJ officers.

Please. DAVEL.

ill have alook at that PDF...ive read it befoe and will see if I can pull out the salient points....but we have already...

The PJ officers claimed in court that ciprianos injuries were caused when she threw herself down the stairs at the station..fact

What that does is place them at the scene when the injuries happened...fact

Injuries are not consistent with sucha fall....fact according to medical evidence...

Judge rules she was beaten in custody bt cant show which officers did it...fact

So the officers who saw her fall down the stairs either did it or know who did it

[The General]

ill have alook at that PDF...ive read it befoe and will see if I can pull out the salient points....but we have already...

The PJ officers claimed in court that ciprianos injuries were caused when she threw herself down the stairs at the station..fact

What that does is place them at the scene when the injuries happened...fact

Injuries are not consistent with sucha fall....fact according to medical evidence...

Judge rules she was beaten in custody bt cant show which officers did it...fact

So the officers who saw her fall down the stairs either did it or know who did it

Cheers. So was she held in isolation?

[Mr Gray]

Cheers. So was she held in isolation?

The officers said they saw her fall down the stairs

[The General]

The officers said they saw her fall down the stairs

Was she held in general population or isolation?

[Mr Gray]

Was she held in general population or isolation?

Why is that important

[The General]

Why is that important

Was there a window of opportunity for inmates to intervene? If it were the case, then it's not inconceivable that the officers alleged the fall down the stairs to cover for their apparent negligence, or for 'looking the other way'. [Insert 'yeh, because they're happy to perjure themselves at every turn, etc, below]

[Mr Gray]

Was there a window of opportunity for inmates to intervene? If it were the case, then it's not inconceivable that the officers alleged the fall down the stairs to cover for their apparent negligence, or for 'looking the other way'. [Insert 'yeh, because they're happy to perjure themselves at every turn, etc, below]

have you been on that mescaline again

[misty]

Was there a window of opportunity for inmates to intervene? If it were the case, then it's not inconceivable that the officers alleged the fall down the stairs to cover for their apparent negligence, or for 'looking the other way'. [Insert 'yeh, because they're happy to perjure themselves at every turn, etc, below]

Leonor was in Portimao police station and had just left the interview room when the injuries were sustained.
There was no lawyer present. There was no record of Leonor having arrived at the police station with injuries. 2 officers reported to Amaral (he was in the building awaiting information about a freezer) that Leonor had tried to throw herself down the stairs & she'd sustained injuries.  No inmates were present or involved.

[The General]

have you been on that mescaline again

Not since 'the event'.
But you see the point? If there's 'opportunity', then anything could have occurred.
If I was a police officer learning of the apparent fate of Joana from the horses mouth, then I would be on a fag break while the other inmates mingled. And I don't smoke. Or take breaks.
Or she could have fell down the stairs.
Or both.