Wandering Off Topic

[Mr Gray]

Not since 'the event'.
But you see the point? If there's 'opportunity', then anything could have occurred.
If I was a police officer learning of the apparent fate of Joana from the horses mouth, then I would be on a fag break while the other inmates mingled. And I don't smoke. Or take breaks.
Or she could have fell down the stairs.
Or both.

Perhaps Cipriano was a trained MMA fighter and decide to take on six PJ...she was getting the better of them do they used reasonable force to disable her...they could never admit this so came up with the stair theory...what do you think

[Vertigo Swirl]

I reckon she punched herself in the face.  Police don't ever doff up those in their custody as The General will be the first to confirm.

[The General]

I reckon she punched herself in the face.  Police don't ever doff up those in their custody as The General will be the first to confirm.

Could be. But usually, if there's stairs available and they've given you a slap about, they'll proceed to throw you down them. For rigour.
Not me personally. I received a delightful breakfast of bacon on toast and a cup of tea the following morning.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Could be. But usually, if there's stairs available and they've given you a slap about, they'll proceed to throw you down them. For rigour.
Not me personally. I received a delightful breakfast of bacon on toast and a cup of tea the following morning.

And the police never laid a finger on you?

[The General]

And the police never laid a finger on you?

Only the preceding evening. There were no stairs, alas.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Only the preceding evening. There were no stairs, alas.

Right, so why are you so keen to make out that JC was harmed by other inmates or inflicted the injuries on herself?  Why do you seemingly disregard the possibility of Portuguese police brutality even though that was the judgement of the courts?

[G-Unit]

Right, so why are you so keen to make out that JC was harmed by other inmates or inflicted the injuries on herself?  Why do you seemingly disregard the possibility of Portuguese police brutality even though that was the judgement of the courts?

Another one accepting the findings of a Portuguese court. That's a refreshing change.

[The General]

Right, so why are you so keen to make out that JC was harmed by other inmates or inflicted the injuries on herself?  Why do you seemingly disregard the possibility of Portuguese police brutality even though that was the judgement of the courts?

Whhhooaa sister / brother. You've jumped again. It's an example. Is it definitive that she was beaten by the police? Was there a window of opportunity, serendipitous or created, whereby enraged inmates could have a pop?
It is equally possible that the PJ could have battered her. Do you see?

[misty]

Whhhooaa sister / brother. You've jumped again. It's an example. Is it definitive that she was beaten by the police? Was there a window of opportunity, serendipitous or created, whereby enraged inmates could have a pop?
It is equally possible that the PJ could have battered her. Do you see?

You haven't read that judgement I posted, have you?
Please see my post #7768 with a very brief summary.

[The General]

You haven't read that judgement I posted, have you?
Please see my post #7768 with a very brief summary.

Yes.
No.
Of course I did. But hadn't it occurred to you that, if you wanted to give her a good hiding, but didn't want to physically do it yourself, given the, you know, murder of her child and all that, how would you report it as a policeman without implicating inmates?
Come on guys, think laterally.

[misty]

Yes.
No.
Of course I did. But hadn't it occurred to you that, if you wanted to give her a good hiding, but didn't want to physically do it yourself, given the, you know, murder of her child and all that, how would you report it as a policeman without implicating inmates?
Come on guys, think laterally.

Lateral thinking involves believing Leonor threw herself down the stairs to bring injuries caused by fellow inmates to the attention of PJ....except she didn't arrive (for the second time that day & without a lawyer) at the police HQ with big black swollen eyes.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Whhhooaa sister / brother. You've jumped again. It's an example. Is it definitive that she was beaten by the police? Was there a window of opportunity, serendipitous or created, whereby enraged inmates could have a pop?
It is equally possible that the PJ could have battered her. Do you see?

is it definitive that Leonor Cipriano was involved in the death of her daughter? 

[The General]

is it definitive that Leonor Cipriano was involved in the death of her daughter?

Not sure what bearing it has on this particular conversation, but for me, yes.

[The General]

Lateral thinking involves believing Leonor threw herself down the stairs to bring injuries caused by fellow inmates to the attention of PJ....except she didn't arrive (for the second time that day & without a lawyer) at the police HQ with big black swollen eyes.

Perhaps you mis-read my post.
PJ take her in. PJ go for lunch. PJ conveniently leave an adjoining door open. PJ come back. PJ find Leonor getting filled in by inmates. PJ state 'she threw herself down the stairs' so inmates don't get the blame and there's no evidence on PJ.
You can happily rearrange the sequence with the PJ filling her in if you like. My point is either are possible given the atmosphere that must have been prevailing when word got round that she is in the building.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Not sure what bearing it has on this particular conversation, but for me, yes.

So you completely trust one court verdict seemingly unquestioningly but doubt another for what reasons especially?