Wandering Off Topic

[misty]

Perhaps you mis-read my post.
PJ take her in. PJ go for lunch. PJ conveniently leave an adjoining door open. PJ come back. PJ find Leonor getting filled in by inmates. PJ state 'she threw herself down the stairs' so inmates don't get the blame and there's no evidence on PJ.
You can happily rearrange the sequence with the PJ filling her in if you like. My point is either are possible given the atmosphere that must have been prevailing when word got round that she is in the building.

Shall I set the scene for you?
It was approaching the witching hour one late October night in Faro police station. Goncalo Amaral was sereenly awaiting for news from his officers regarding an appropriately-sized freezer at the Cipriano residence. There were no escapees secretly raiding the vast drinks' cabinets.
Leonor had been brought back to the station 4 hours after having been returned to Odemira prison. Her (alleged) previous confession to PJ officers, admitting to killing Joana by dubious methods, left a lot to be desired. PJ needed to speak with her again "lest Joana still be alive" (somewhere in a pig pen).
Leonor was interrogated by Cristovao*, a PJ Inspector well-versed in child trafficking & various forms of thuggery.
She needed a bathroom break & was accompanied by 2 other PJ officers to the restroom.....

*Cristovao sentenced twice in the last decade for various forms of corruption, kidnapping, armed robbery etc for 4.5 & 7.5 years yet remains a free man.

None of the people who tortured Leonor could be identified due to falsification of reports. Meanwhile, the victim had additional time added to her custodial sentence. I'm don't think that anyone should ever accept the court judgement was a delivery of justice.


*Edited to correct name of police station

[Angelo222]

Shall I set the scene for you?
It was approaching the witching hour one late October night in Portimao police station. Goncalo Amaral was sereenly awaiting for news from his officers regarding an appropriately-sized freezer at the Cipriano residence. There were no escapees secretly raiding the vast drinks' cabinets.
Leonor had been brought back to the station 4 hours after having been returned to Odemira prison. Her (alleged) previous confession to PJ officers, admitting to killing Joana by dubious methods, left a lot to be desired. PJ needed to speak with her again "lest Joana still be alive" (somewhere in a pig pen).
Leonor was interrogated by Cristovao*, a PJ Inspector well-versed in child trafficking & various forms of thuggery.
She needed a bathroom break & was accompanied by 2 other PJ officers to the restroom.....

*Cristovao sentenced twice in the last decade for various forms of corruption, kidnapping, armed robbery etc for 4.5 & 7.5 years yet remains a free man.

None of the people who tortured Leonor could be identified due to falsification of reports. Meanwhile, the victim had additional time added to her custodial sentence. I'm don't think that anyone should ever accept the court judgement was a delivery of justice.

There is nothing alleged about it.  She told police that she had accidentally killed Joana in an attempt to protect her delinquent brother.

[Angelo222]

Perhaps you mis-read my post.
PJ take her in. PJ go for lunch. PJ conveniently leave an adjoining door open. PJ come back. PJ find Leonor getting filled in by inmates. PJ state 'she threw herself down the stairs' so inmates don't get the blame and there's no evidence on PJ.
You can happily rearrange the sequence with the PJ filling her in if you like. My point is either are possible given the atmosphere that must have been prevailing when word got round that she is in the building.

I believe the alleged throwing herself down steps incident and the torture incident are unconnected.

[Mr Gray]

There is nothing alleged about it.  She told police that she had accidentally killed Joana in an attempt to protect her delinquent brother.

I think she's innocent as it seems do many Portuguese

[Mr Gray]

I believe the alleged throwing herself down steps incident and the torture incident are unconnected.

The stairs are the PJ's explanation for her injuries...

[The General]

I think she's innocent as it seems do many Portuguese

Cite.

[Mr Gray]

Cite.

MST : Let me ask you a question, do you think that in this country many people believes that Leonor Cipriano killed her daughter ?
GA : I think so.
MST : Very few people, Gonçalo Amaral, very few people.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7483.msg348878#msg348878

[The General]

MST : Let me ask you a question, do you think that in this country many people believes that Leonor Cipriano killed her daughter ?
GA : I think so.
MST : Very few people, Gonçalo Amaral, very few people.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7483.msg348878#msg348878

You're quoting a guy's opinion. That's not an acceptable cite. Might even be poorly translated. Where's the sauce?
I need numbers of these 'many Portuguese'.
Or retract.
Whichever.

Nah, just kidding. I don't care. That quote will do. Thank you. We can all use this as the gold standard of cites from here on in. Members can refer back to your reply and use it as the now eroded standard of an acceptable cite.
Henceforth this new standard will be called: The Many Portuguese Test.

[Vertigo Swirl]

You're quoting a guy's opinion. That's not an acceptable cite. Might even be poorly translated. Where's the sauce?
I need numbers of these 'many Portuguese'.
Or retract.
Whichever.

Nah, just kidding. I don't care. That quote will do. Thank you. We can all use this as the gold standard of cites from here on in. Members can refer back to your reply and use it as the now eroded standard of an acceptable cite.
Henceforth this new standard will be called: The Many Portuguese Test.

As Davel used the word “seems” I think his cite is perfectly acceptable.  I “seem” to remember that there was an opinion poll carried out in Portugal on this subject many years ago and overwhelmingly people in Portugal felt this case had been a miscarriage of justice.  Now you can pooh-pooh my post.  Give it your best shot, try and make me feel completely worthless too while you’re at it.  Cheers a lot. 

[The General]

As Davel used the word “seems” I think his cite is perfectly acceptable.  I “seem” to remember that there was an opinion poll carried out in Portugal on this subject many years ago and overwhelmingly people in Portugal felt this case had been a miscarriage of justice.  Now you can pooh-pooh my post.  Give it your best shot, try and make me feel completely worthless too while you’re at it.  Cheers a lot.

I'm self-moderating, so I will refrain and not take up your offer. 'Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you' - some philosopher dude (I'm not calling anyone a monster - it's analogous and metaphorical)

Let's all have a pleasant day.

[Mr Gray]

I'm self-moderating, so I will refrain and not take up your offer. 'Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you' - some philosopher dude (I'm not calling anyone a monster - it's analogous and metaphorical)

Let's all have a pleasant day.

I like..

Don't wrestle with pigs .. you'll get dirty...but the pigs like it

[Mr Gray]

I am what I am...not as others see me..
Just made that up now

[G-Unit]

As Davel used the word “seems” I think his cite is perfectly acceptable.  I “seem” to remember that there was an opinion poll carried out in Portugal on this subject many years ago and overwhelmingly people in Portugal felt this case had been a miscarriage of justice.  Now you can pooh-pooh my post.  Give it your best shot, try and make me feel completely worthless too while you’re at it.  Cheers a lot.

I seem to remember opinion polls in both Portugal and the UK where the majority of respondents thought the McCanns were guilty. Opinion polls, eh.......

[Mr Gray]

I seem to remember opinion polls in both Portugal and the UK where the majority of respondents thought the McCanns were guilty. Opinion polls, eh.......

Cite...you seem to have a poor understanding of statistics.
Opinion polls carried out on forums such as CMOMM are not   representative of the general public.

I haven't seen any a valid opinion polls...so provide a cite

[Vertigo Swirl]

I seem to remember opinion polls in both Portugal and the UK where the majority of respondents thought the McCanns were guilty. Opinion polls, eh.......

Thanks for your input, I knew I could rely on someone to point out the obvious.