Wandering Off Topic

[Mr Gray]

His head on a plate.

Not very nice

[Vertigo Swirl]

His head on a plate.

No Rob, that would be proof.

[Robittybob1]

No Rob, that would be proof.

I've often wondered what is the difference between evidence and proof.  Proof is sufficient evidence that there is only one outcome to consider.  Multiple pieces of evidence lead to proof.
So a head on a plate is more than enough evidence hence proof. 

A finger in an envelop may be evidence of torture but not proof of death.  Any vital organ would be proof, provided it was DNA tested and a match.   E.g. a heart in jar preserved in formalin (evidence).  It could be a pig heart (if human then that's evidence), get it DNA tested (evidence) and if a match - combined evidence becomes proof.

[Vertigo Swirl]

It's ironic that the same people who lambast HCW for claiming he has evidence of Madeleine's death don't have any problem whatsoever with Amaral claiming the same. 

[G-Unit]

It's ironic that the same people who lambast HCW for claiming he has evidence of Madeleine's death don't have any problem whatsoever with Amaral claiming the same.

The difference being that the PJ took the next step and questioned their suspects after making them arguidos in accordance with Portuguese law. No unconfirmed accusations were made in the media before that happened.

[Eleanor]

The difference being that the PJ took the next step and questioned their suspects after making them arguidos in accordance with Portuguese law. No unconfirmed accusations were made in the media before that happened.

Portuguese Law at the time, which changed eight days later.

And what a waste of time that was.  Arguidos are not obliged to answer questions.

[Vertigo Swirl]

The difference being that the PJ took the next step and questioned their suspects after making them arguidos in accordance with Portuguese law. No unconfirmed accusations were made in the media before that happened.

You obviously have a very short memory.  In any case it's completely irrelevant.  You accept evidence of death from the Portuguese apparently unconditionally.  Pourquoi?

[G-Unit]

You obviously have a very short memory.  In any case it's completely irrelevant.  You accept evidence of death from the Portuguese apparently unconditionally.  Pourquoi?

My memory's fine. Do you have a cite for the PJ claiming they had suspects and concrete evidence that they killed the child before any action was taken against them?

I was able to examine the evidence the PJ gathered and reach my own conclusions. I certainly didn't take their word for anything.

[Vertigo Swirl]

My memory's fine. Do you have a cite for the PJ claiming they had suspects and concrete evidence that they killed the child before any action was taken against them?

I was able to examine the evidence the PJ gathered and reach my own conclusions. I certainly didn't take their word for anything.

The papers were full of leaks from the PJ in the Summer of 2007 that made it clear the McCanns were their suspects, the results of the dog alerts etc.  Regardless of that did the PJ have concrete evidence of Madeleine’s death at any point in your view?

[G-Unit]

The papers were full of leaks from the PJ in the Summer of 2007 that made it clear the McCanns were their suspects, the results of the dog alerts etc.  Regardless of that did the PJ have concrete evidence of Madeleine’s death at any point in your view?

Alleged leaks are one thing, identified spokespersons another.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Alleged leaks are one thing, identified spokespersons another.

Makes no difference but allows you to avoid the question I asked you which I sahll ask again: in your opinion did the PJ have concrete evidence of Madeleine’s death?

[G-Unit]

Makes no difference but allows you to avoid the question I asked you which I sahll ask again: in your opinion did the PJ have concrete evidence of Madeleine’s death?

There is a huge difference between alleged leaks and public claims by a member of the authorities. I don't think the PJ ever claimed to have concrete evidence of Madeleine's death, whatever 'concrete' means.

[Mr Gray]

There is a huge difference between alleged leaks and public claims by a member of the authorities. I don't think the PJ ever claimed to have concrete evidence of Madeleine's death, whatever 'concrete' means.

That's because they never had it... HcW may well have such evidence

[Eleanor]

There is a huge difference between alleged leaks and public claims by a member of the authorities. I don't think the PJ ever claimed to have concrete evidence of Madeleine's death, whatever 'concrete' means.

Didn't Amaral state it as a fact?

[Vertigo Swirl]

There is a huge difference between alleged leaks and public claims by a member of the authorities. I don't think the PJ ever claimed to have concrete evidence of Madeleine's death, whatever 'concrete' means.

Concrete means solid, hard to refute, not easily dismissed.  Amaral certainly believes he has concrete evidence of Madeleine’s death.  He was once part of the PJ, indeed we’re always being told his book was only repeating the views of the investigation.  So, once more I ask: in your opinion did the PJ have concrete evidence of Madeleine’s death in your view?