Wandering Off Topic

[faithlilly]

Mine too.

Bit of a pile on here.

[faithlilly]

Gerry was at the Tapas Bar.  Taken from Dianne Websters statement -

 Reply    ”One of them would stay, or stayed in the apartment while the other one gobbled down their meal and then, so I think Russell, Russell must have gone back and let Jane come and eat her meal because by that time err we’d, we’d ordered our main courses and err Russell had ordered steak and of course he wasn’t at the table when it was ready and he said oh you know (inaudible) to go back, he’ll be back later, once Jane finishes hers err just keep his steak warm err so Jane sort of gobbled down her, her meal and went, went back so that Russell could come and have his dinner and, and this must have been getting on for, I don’t know, maybe ten to ten or something like that. Again I wasn’t looking at the time but just thinking to what happened is that err Russell came back to table and err they’d actually cooked him a fresh steak and he was just starting to tuck into it when err Kate had obviously gone back to check on the children, came running in you know, as far as I can recollect she said you know she’s gone, Gerry, Madeleine’s gone, screaming you know.”

It’s common knowledge that Gerry was at the tapas bar at the alert. It’s what happened in the minutes before that is in doubt.

Of course DW said in her first statement that she didn’t think Gerry was at the table when she arrived.

[G-Unit]

So, even if it was 9.50. Gerry was at the table.   Even if it was 10.03 Gerry was at the table.

While it's perfectly possible that Gerry was at the table when the alarm was raised, there's reason to wonder about the actual time it happened. According to waiter Ricardo Alexandre da Luz Oliveira the table was empty at 9.45pm.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RICARDO-A-D-L-OLIVEIRA.htm

[Vertigo Swirl]

I don't know who got the time right, but a lot of people gave times which didn't fit with the alarm being raised at 10pm or later.

Such incompetence in the PJ then, claiming in the final report that the alarm was raised around 10pm.  What WERE they basing that ridiculous assumption on I wonder?

[Vertigo Swirl]

While it's perfectly possible that Gerry was at the table when the alarm was raised, there's reason to wonder about the actual time it happened. According to waiter Ricardo Alexandre da Luz Oliveira the table was empty at 9.45pm.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RICARDO-A-D-L-OLIVEIRA.htm

He also says this - so which is true then?
When asked, he says that on 3rd May he only remembers that one guest from the table left for about 10 minutes, given that when he was about to serve the respective plate he was told to hold the food back for a few minutes, and that it was about 15 minutes before the guest returned, at about 21.45.

[faithlilly]

I’ve always found this statement rather interesting.

SVETLANA
-------  STARIKOVA VITORINO (Russian citizen, with the telephone No "96635 ####) - kitchen assistant:
- Said that, yesterday, one individual, purportedly the father of the missing, left the dinner table where a group of friends (in number 8 or 9), for about 30 minutes. After having returned, a woman whom she believed to be his wife, also left the table, there having passed a few moments, all the guests left the table in question, except one elderly lady, who told her [Svetlana's] colleagues that that child had disappeared.
- During the time that she was working yesterday (between 14:30 and 23:00) she did not see any individual with blonde "rastas

And this from Diane Webster.

‘ That, at that time, the whole group were at the restaurant. The witness did not recall, but thinks that perhaps Gerald and MATT had not been in the restaurant ( when she arrived) along with the other members of the group. ’

‘ Prompted to state for the record the movements that occurred that night, during the above dinner, the witness reiterated that she could not say specifically who had left nor when they had done so.’


Was Gerry doing the first check?

[Eleanor]

Bit of a pile on here.

Are you Slurring me?

[faithlilly]

Are you Slurring me?

Just an observation.

[barrier]

I didn't realise the police were trained to turn a blind eye to compelling evidence that pointed in a different direction to that which they have been told to pursue by their superiors.  How astounding and how corrupt.

It seemed to happen alright in the Stephen Lawrence case with  institutional racism.

[barrier]

It's all very odd, there is an eyewitness who supposedly saw Gerry carrying a child in his arms at 10pm and then we have the tapas group who say he was sat at the dining table with them at that time. One explanation for this is that there was a doppelganger in town.

Question is, did the child think the doppelganger was her father so wasn't afraid and didn't cry out?

This man who is the key to it all imo, he was seen carrying a child fitting a description close to that of Madeleine ( Redwood said so) the only child missing that night.

[Vertigo Swirl]

It seemed to happen alright in the Stephen Lawrence case with  institutional racism.

And how do we know about it?  Oh yes, that’s right.  The Establishment conducted a thorough review and published a report about it exposing the police failings.  Racism was established as the root cause of those failings, what do you think they’d uncover as the root cause of failings in tOperation Grange?  A top level conspiracy involving the PM  to protect two doctors from Rothley?

[faithlilly]

This man who is the key to it all imo, he was seen carrying a child fitting a description close to that of Madeleine ( Redwood said so) the only child missing that night.

I agree..it’s far too much of a coincidence..but of course he looked nothing like Brueckner.

Neither of course did Tannerman. Supporters have been deathly quiet regarding him recently.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I agree..it’s far too much of a coincidence..but of course he looked nothing like Brueckner.

Neither of course did Tannerman. Supporters have been deathly quiet regarding him recently.

Talking of coincidence - 4 children have gone missing close to Brückner’s known whereabouts at the time of their disappearances, across two different countries.  What are the odds, eh? 

[barrier]

Talking of coincidence - 4 children have gone missing close to Brückner’s known whereabouts at the time of their disappearances, across two different countries.  What are the odds, eh?

Its not been established where CB was on the night of 3/05/2007.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Its not been established where CB was on the night of 3/05/2007.

there is evidence he was in PdL that night, there is no evidence he was anywhere else that night.