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Offline G-Unit

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« Reply #10365 on: June 01, 2021, 12:32:10 PM »
Whats wrong with the term.. Or is your post just being pedantic

There's nothing wrong with it. You accused Grime and Harrison of inventing it, so they must have used it. Where and when did they use the phrase?
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Offline Mr Gray

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« Reply #10366 on: June 01, 2021, 12:38:36 PM »
Is that meant to distract me? Just answer my question; when did Harrison or Grime mention 'remnant scent'?

Is that an important question for you

Offline John

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #10367 on: June 01, 2021, 12:48:01 PM »
Quite.  It's all very vague isn't it?

The cadaver dogs episode told us very little imo. If anything it damaged the entire science surrounding the use of properly trained cadaver dogs.

If a dog is trained using cadavers it will find cadavers or the remnant scent associated with them.  If they are trained using materials other than cadavers then expect indeterminate results. The latter applying in Praia da Luz.
« Last Edit: June 01, 2021, 12:51:22 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Mr Gray

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« Reply #10368 on: June 01, 2021, 01:04:02 PM »
There's nothing wrong with it. You accused Grime and Harrison of inventing it, so they must have used it. Where and when did they use the phrase?
No I suggested Grime and Harrison may well have developed the use of remnant scent as intelligence... I never said they invented the term. Is it that you do not understand what the term means... John's using it at the moment too

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #10369 on: June 01, 2021, 01:16:42 PM »
Is that meant to distract me? Just answer my question; when did Harrison or Grime mention 'remnant scent'?
Did I ever say that they did? No. I would have thought my question was the most important one there possibly was to ask on the subject.
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Offline John

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #10370 on: June 01, 2021, 01:54:49 PM »
Is there anyone who doesn't understand what the term 'remnant scent' means in relation to cadaver dogs?
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Eleanor

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« Reply #10371 on: June 07, 2021, 10:20:24 AM »
Is there anyone who doesn't understand what the term 'remnant scent' means in relation to cadaver dogs?

Quite a few I would say.

Offline barrier

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« Reply #10372 on: June 09, 2021, 06:32:53 PM »
The clairvoyant who was recently in the news, was spouting rubbish back in 2014. Its in German but google translate bring's this.


“I have no ears,” he explains. “I don't need glass balls. I only listen to my inner voice. ”The gift of“ being a little tool of God ”kept his finger hovering over the place 40 kilometers west of the resort. "I can narrow the position down to 30 by 50 meters," says Michael Schneider. " Maddie McCann was kidnapped and then killed relatively quickly," he suspects.

The clairvoyant immediately alerted the investigators. He even traveled to Portugal. What did he find there? "The place where I suspect Maddie's body is at the end of a street, right on a cliff." It would be the perfect hiding place
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https://www.wunderweib.de/maddie-mccann-wurde-das-grab-des-maedchens-entdeckt-1004.html
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Offline Carana

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« Reply #10373 on: June 10, 2021, 07:39:24 AM »
It’s possible he doesn’t really know himself I guess...

Except that the possibility that Eddie reacted to remnant scent of blood from a living person (bearing in mind that the last - holiday-maker - occupants of 5A only left one week prior to the arrival of the dogs. And, at the time of the release of the files, at least, had never been questioned. Neither were any cleaning staff questioned about what they did or didn't do prior to the flat being locked up again.

Offline G-Unit

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« Reply #10374 on: June 10, 2021, 08:43:27 AM »
Except that the possibility that Eddie reacted to remnant scent of blood from a living person (bearing in mind that the last - holiday-maker - occupants of 5A only left one week prior to the arrival of the dogs. And, at the time of the release of the files, at least, had never been questioned. Neither were any cleaning staff questioned about what they did or didn't do prior to the flat being locked up again.

Eddie wasn't alerting to blood in the main bedroom because Keela didn't alert in there.
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Offline Mr Gray

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« Reply #10375 on: June 10, 2021, 09:12:28 AM »
Eddie wasn't alerting to blood in the main bedroom because Keela didn't alert in there.
You are quite wrong... Its surprising how many posters dont understand the alerts

Eddie may well alert to blood that Keela doesnt detect... Its in Grimes profile
.. Im surprised you are not aware of this
« Last Edit: June 10, 2021, 09:18:07 AM by Davel »

Offline G-Unit

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« Reply #10376 on: June 10, 2021, 10:10:20 AM »
You are quite wrong... Its surprising how many posters dont understand the alerts

Eddie may well alert to blood that Keela doesnt detect... Its in Grimes profile
.. Im surprised you are not aware of this

It's possible, but only in very specific circunstances. The blood would have to have been substantially diluted (before it dried) to a level at which Keela couldn't detect it. The extremely diluted blood would also need to soak into an absorbent material such as soil. In those circumstances Eddie might detect it.

I find it unlikely that those circumstances occured in the main bedroom of 5A.
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Offline Mr Gray

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« Reply #10377 on: June 10, 2021, 10:19:35 AM »
It's possible, but only in very specific circunstances. The blood would have to have been substantially diluted (before it dried) to a level at which Keela couldn't detect it. The extremely diluted blood would also need to soak into an absorbent material such as soil. In those circumstances Eddie might detect it.

I find it unlikely that those circumstances occured in the main bedroom of 5A.

So when you said Eddie wadnt alerting to blood.. Stating it as a fact... You were wrong
Eddie also alerts to coconuts... Im not sure keela does.. So it could hsve been a small remnant of coconut
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Offline G-Unit

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« Reply #10378 on: June 10, 2021, 11:17:10 AM »
So when you said Eddie wadnt alerting to blood.. Stating it as a fact... You were wrong
Eddie also alerts to coconuts... Im not sure keela does.. So it could hsve been a small remnant of coconut

Some people are prepared to believe in extremely unlikely scenarios rather than accepting the most probable explanations. Eddie was never shown to alert to coconuts imo.
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Offline Brietta

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« Reply #10379 on: June 10, 2021, 11:37:32 AM »
Some people are prepared to believe in extremely unlikely scenarios rather than accepting the most probable explanations. Eddie was never shown to alert to coconuts imo.

'Human bone' at centre of Jersey children's home inquiry is actually a piece of wood or coconut shell
By DAVID ROSE
Last updated at 23:26 18 May 2008

The "remains of a child" discovered by police investigating allegations of abuse at a former children's home on Jersey is really a small piece of wood or broken coconut shell, The Mail on Sunday has learned.

The discovery of the fragment in February prompted police to open an inquiry into a possible murder at the Haut de la Garenne home; and this week detectives are set to announce further evidence which they believe shows that another two dead children were buried in the cellar.

But Jersey police were told almost six weeks ago that tests by Britain's top carbon-dating laboratory showed that the original evidence – supposedly a fragment of a child's skull – was not bone.

The island's controversial deputy police chief, Lenny Harper, who is heading the investigation, has consistently failed to mention the vital results in public statements since the tests were completed.

Interviewed in the home last Tuesday, he repeated: "It is a fragment of a human body...we don't know how, when or where that person died."

Last night Mr Harper admitted that his team had received emails reporting the test results on April 8, including a message that stated: "This one ain't bone."

But he insisted that had "never seen" a letter setting out the findings in more detail, which was addressed to him personally and dated May 1, until it was emailed to him yesterday.

Mr Harper also conceded that "clothing and other items" which he previously said had been found at the home – fuelling speculation that a child's grave had been unearthed – amounted to a piece of a button and a leather toggle.

However, he said he remained confident that the fragment was bone, based on the opinion of his forensic anthropologist, Julie Roberts, even though she had not been able to carry out detailed tests.

"As far as I am concerned, it was diagnosed as bone, and bone it remains," he said.

Scientists from the Oxford Radiocarbon Accelerator Unit spent weeks investigating the fragment with the world's most sophisticated equipment, whereas Ms Roberts had to reach her conclusion in a hurry – between the fragment's discovery at 9.30am on February 24 and Mr Harper's Press conference that afternoon.
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His murder inquiry began when Eddie, an "enhanced victim recovery dog", began barking in the cellar of Haut de la Garenne – the sign, according to its handler, that he had detected the scent of human remains.

By coincidence, the dog, from South Yorkshire Police, is the same animal that supposedly picked up "the scent of death" in the apartment where Madeleine McCann was last seen in Praia de Luz in Portugal.

According to Mr Harper, Eddie smelled the decades-old skull fragment through "several inches" of concrete, which police then smashed through. Eddie had the same reaction at another six locations at Haut de la Garenne but nothing was ever found.


"I don't believe a dog can pick up such a scent through a layer of concrete," said Mike Swindells, a former Lancashire officer who wrote the standard sniffer dog training manual.

"It's really very unlikely."

In his early media briefings, Mr Harper did not make clear that the first "human remains" consisted only of a single fragment the size of a 50p piece. Doubts were cast over the evidence when it first arrived at the Oxford lab early in March.

The first step in dating remains is to treat the bone with chemicals that separate its soft collagen protein from the harder mineral content. Only the collagen can be dated reliably.

However, the pre-treatment did not produce any collagen. The conclusion was unavoidable: the fragment was not bone.

At the time, a police Press statement admitted scientists had been unable to date the fragment because its collagen content was low. But Mr Harper said this was because it had been found in a "lime-rich environment", to which Ms Coupland added:

"The experts who tested it said that was why the collagen had degraded."

In fact, the Oxford scientists and Dr Jacobi say the opposite is true. "If it had been kept in a temperate, lime-rich environment and was actually bone, it would have been well preserved," Dr Jacobi said.

"It would very clearly be bone, which this is not.

"The Oxford scientist who did the pre-treatment has tested thousands of pieces of bone and she felt instinctively from the outset that this was not bone. She was right."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-567013/Human-bone-centre-Jersey-childrens-home-inquiry-actually-piece-wood-coconut-shell.html
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....