Wandering Off Topic

[Eleanor]

The dog's role was to indicate areas where evidence might be found. I would think that anything found within that area would carry the scent to which the dog alerted, so there was nothing to be gained by asking him to screen those items individually.

What?  What was Eddie there for?

No evidence of human remains was found in that area and no children were found to be missing.  96,000 Pounds later for the use of Eddie, to the cost of The Tax Payer, the whole Investigation fell apart.

My only regret is that a nice little dog who only wanted to please was grandstanded by Martin Grime who tried to teach Eddie too many tricks.

[G-Unit]

What?  What was Eddie there for?

No evidence of human remains was found in that area and no children were found to be missing.  96,000 Pounds later for the use of Eddie, to the cost of The Tax Payer, the whole Investigation fell apart.

My only regret is that a nice little dog who only wanted to please was grandstanded by Martin Grime who tried to teach Eddie too many tricks.

Eddie was there to indicate areas of interest, which is what he did.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Eddie was there to indicate areas of interest, which is what he did.

It would seem that despite the fact that only the remains of a coconut were found (RIP) some people remain convinced that a body had once lain beneath the concrete but was removed before the diggers got to work.  Fascinating!

[Eleanor]

Eddie was there to indicate areas of interest, which is what he did.

And found nothing.  Gosh.  Same old same old.  96,000 Pounds to The Tax Payer.  Mercy Beaucoup.

Did you miss the point that nothing was found and that no children were ever found to have been missing?  Or do you think that this was a cover up and that someone left these bodies lying around for long enough to leave cadaver odour and then moved them to somewhere else?

[Mr Gray]

Eddie was there to indicate areas of interest, which is what he did.

Why did that necessitate Grime staying in one of the most expensive hotels on the island and upgrade to a deluxe ocean vview room

[Eleanor]

Why did that necessitate Grimr staying in one of the most expensive hotels on the island and upgrade to a feluce ocean vview room

Because Lenny Harper wanted to believe what Grime said for the benefit of his own career.  They were all at it.

Lenny Harper then used a Retired Constable, Police Dog Handler, to bolster his own imaginings.  When Martin Grime was doing exactly the same thing.

Thank God Martin Grime bogged off to America.  He will never appear in an English Court.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Why did that necessitate Grimr staying in one of the most expensive hotels on the island and upgrade to a feluce ocean vview room

Eddie had expensive tastes.

[Brietta]

Because Lenny Harper wanted to believe what Grime said for the benefit of his own career.  They were all at it.

Lenny Harper then used a Retired Constable, Police Dog Handler, to bolster his own imaginings.  When Martin Grime was doing exactly the same thing.

Thank God Martin Grime bogged off to America.  He will never appear in an English Court.

Actually the total direct cost of the dog deployment was £108,075 - and the cadaver dog licence had expired seven months prior to arrival in Jersey. https://www.gov.je/SiteCollectionDocuments/Government%20and%20administration/R%20Operation%20Rectangle%20review%20of%20the%20efficient%20and%20effective%20use%20of%20resources%20201005%20BDO%20Alto.pdf
Therefore Eddie did not meet the official criteria to make any sort of alert in Praia da Luz whether false or not as it could be argued he was deemed as "not competent" for operational duty.

[Eleanor]

Actually the total direct cost of the dog deployment was £108,075 - and the cadaver dog licence had expired seven months prior to arrival in Jersey. https://www.gov.je/SiteCollectionDocuments/Government%20and%20administration/R%20Operation%20Rectangle%20review%20of%20the%20efficient%20and%20effective%20use%20of%20resources%20201005%20BDO%20Alto.pdf
Therefore Eddie did not meet the official criteria to make any sort of alert in Praia da Luz whether false or not as it could be argued he was deemed as "not competent" for operational duty.

And since Eddie wasn't Martin Grime's dog in the first place one has to wonder what Martin Grime thought he was doing.

[G-Unit]

Because Lenny Harper wanted to believe what Grime said for the benefit of his own career.  They were all at it.

Lenny Harper then used a Retired Constable, Police Dog Handler, to bolster his own imaginings.  When Martin Grime was doing exactly the same thing.

Thank God Martin Grime bogged off to America.  He will never appear in an English Court.

Harper called in the NPIA and followed their recommendations;

"The advice and assistance of the NPIA in the deployment of UK specialists was secured...On 19/2/08 the "Haul de Ia Garenne" site was visited by a reconnaissance party including States of Jersey Police SIO and Forensic Services Manager, NPIA homicide search advisors, FCSC canine advisor and LGC Forensics staff representing forensic archaeology and anthropology.
https://catalogue.jerseyheritage.org/wp-content/plugins/adlib-interface/adlib-download.php?p=110390044&f=0&d=archive&suppress_download

[Brietta]

Harper called in the NPIA and followed their recommendations;

"The advice and assistance of the NPIA in the deployment of UK specialists was secured...On 19/2/08 the "Haul de Ia Garenne" site was visited by a reconnaissance party including States of Jersey Police SIO and Forensic Services Manager, NPIA homicide search advisors, FCSC canine advisor and LGC Forensics staff representing forensic archaeology and anthropology.
https://catalogue.jerseyheritage.org/wp-content/plugins/adlib-interface/adlib-download.php?p=110390044&f=0&d=archive&suppress_download

That is a witness statement by Lenny Harper the disgraced officer in charge of the debacle.

Witness Name: Leonard Harper
Statement No: First
Exhibits: LH1 - LH48
Dated: 02 November 2014

Why are you quoting that as fact and ignoring the findings of OPERATION RECTANGLE.

The question is rhetorical just to save you more grief 😑

[Eleanor]

Harper called in the NPIA and followed their recommendations;

"The advice and assistance of the NPIA in the deployment of UK specialists was secured...On 19/2/08 the "Haul de Ia Garenne" site was visited by a reconnaissance party including States of Jersey Police SIO and Forensic Services Manager, NPIA homicide search advisors, FCSC canine advisor and LGC Forensics staff representing forensic archaeology and anthropology.
https://catalogue.jerseyheritage.org/wp-content/plugins/adlib-interface/adlib-download.php?p=110390044&f=0&d=archive&suppress_download

Since they couldn't even spell the name of The Site correctly then one has to wonder where they thought they were.

[Eleanor]

That is a witness statement by Lenny Harper the disgraced officer in charge of the debacle.

Witness Name: Leonard Harper
Statement No: First
Exhibits: LH1 - LH48
Dated: 02 November 2014

Why are you quoting that as fact and ignoring the findings of OPERATION RECTANGLE.

The question is rhetorical just to save you more grief 😑

Oh Dear.  Even worse than I thought.

[Carana]

Firstly I don't know if the smell of methane affects a cadaver dog; how was that assertained? Secondly, Apartment 5A wasn't a peat bog, nor did it contain fertilizer.

Yes, methane can confuse dogs.

https://www.murderscience.com/articles/2018/1/29/cadaver-dogs-

https://www.academia.edu/602545/Suspect_burial_excavation_procedure_A_cautionary_tale

No, I agree that 5A wasn't a peat bog, lol. However, IF organic fertilizer had been used in the garden, it could equally have confused Eddie - even in the flat (by contamination via footwear, or even by remnant scent wafting in.

At the same time, that's not the sole potentially irrelevant explanation, and I've lost count of how often these have been discussed ad nauseum.

I have never discounted the possibility that she may indeed have died in the flat as there's no absolute proof of the contrary. On the other hand, IMO, the investigation into potential other explanations as to the dogs' alerts never got further than vaguely asking around if anyone had heard of anyone else dying there.

If ever other potentially plausible and rational alternative explanation had been thoroughly explored and discounted, then I'd have changed my view.

Reality seems to be that Eddie did his best, but could hardly have given a nuanced interpretation to Dad. And Dad had just embarked (or was about to embark) on a solo career.

[Carana]

The apartment was not a sterile environment.

The Judicial Police had given permission for it to be put back into service as a holiday residence between the McCanns leaving it and the dogs arriving to inspect it.

I forget how many families made use of it during that time.  A minimum of three and possibly five.  I do not think any of these families were asked to give an interview about their time there.

There would have been a deep clean between each different set of occupants.

Not sure what you mean by a "deep clean", Bri. This was way before recent Corona virus parents had even winked at each other across a bar in a virus disco. ;)