Wandering Off Topic

[G-Unit]

Not by the police then who mention it in their report, or perhaps you think they based their investigation on the tabloids as well?

Is there a police report which states Eddie alerted specifically to the fragment? Do you have a link?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Is there a police report which states Eddie alerted specifically to the fragment? Do you have a link?

Did you not read Misty's link from the Jersey Police website?

https://jersey.police.uk/news-appeals/2008/november/press-conference-notes-from-operation-rectangle-update/

On the 31st March 2008 Dr Higham from the Oxford Radiocarbon Accelerator Unit stated he believed the item was not bone.
 The original anthropologist reviewed her initial identification and on 14th April 2008 had stated she no longer identified it as part of a skull.
 Dr Higham and Dr Jacobi (of the British Museum faunal specialist) concluded that the sample was not in fact bone, but was almost certainly wood. They went further stating it was more like a part of a seed casing like a small piece of coconut.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I don't know why Eddie alerted I just know that he did and I'm not convinced, after examining the evidence, that it was to a piece of coconut. That 'fact' seems to have been propagated by the media imo.

Incidentally, did YOU examine the evidence personally to enable you to contradict the experts Dr Higham and Dr Jacobi that did previously who concluded it was almost certainly part of a nut casing?  Perhaps you could provie us with details of  your scientific analysis on the item.

[G-Unit]

Did you not read Misty's link from the Jersey Police website?

https://jersey.police.uk/news-appeals/2008/november/press-conference-notes-from-operation-rectangle-update/

On the 31st March 2008 Dr Higham from the Oxford Radiocarbon Accelerator Unit stated he believed the item was not bone.
 The original anthropologist reviewed her initial identification and on 14th April 2008 had stated she no longer identified it as part of a skull.
 Dr Higham and Dr Jacobi (of the British Museum faunal specialist) concluded that the sample was not in fact bone, but was almost certainly wood. They went further stating it was more like a part of a seed casing like a small piece of coconut.

It doesn't say that Eddie alerted to the sample, evidence of which is what I've been looking for.

[Brietta]

Martin Grime has a lot to answer for.  Although I don't think he did this with malice.  Just self aggrandisement and the pursuit of money.

The same can't be said for those who think that what they will of things he didn't say.

I definitely don't think malice was intended.  He was embarking on a new career and he wanted it to be successful.  Unfortunately the repercussions have been resounding but I think even if he himself were to speak up against what has happened there are those who would not accept it.

[Brietta]

It's all okay.  G Unit is destroying her own arguments.

It is actually quite sad to behold 😥

[Eleanor]

It is actually quite sad to behold 😥

Think it is a laugh a minute, but then I am not feeling very charitable at the moment.

[Vertigo Swirl]

It doesn't say that Eddie alerted to the sample, evidence of which is what I've been looking for.

Why would the police have bothered to get it forensically examined if the cadaver dog had not alerted to it?  Given that Eddie was supposedly the last word in what was and wasn't a human body part surely the first thing they would have done with the sample is shove under his miraculous nose and if he didn't alert they could have saved themselves an awful lot of fuss and bother, or do you think the police never thought of that?

[Brietta]

It doesn't say that Eddie alerted to the sample, evidence of which is what I've been looking for.

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Not a great deal of these Cadaver dogs work has been reported in the State Media, other than to discredit them, so we asked Mr. Harper to document for us just exactly what is happening in the video below, what does a Cadaver dog do? How significant to the investigation the dog was? What, if anything did he (the dog) find?The results, it has to be said were astounding. Mr. Harper agreed to our request and once again we thank him for his commitment to the truth and justice.

For viewers information "JAR/6" is the fragment of child's skull.

00.00.0 Getting ready. I was reluctant to let the dog inside as I did not feel that it would do much good. In truth, I was a little sceptical – I had not felt a favourable impression from the handler (Martin Grimes) at our initial meeting and I was dubious, although my opinion of his qualities and integrity was to markedly change as events unfolded. I began to realise as I worked closely with him over a period of months that what I originally took as arrogance was simply supreme confidence in the ability of his dogs in the face of jealous, empire protecting rivals who were not as professionally capable. Throughout the investigation, we subjected Martin and his dogs to many ‘verifying’ tests, from burying swabs in sand (which he always found no matter how large an area), to minute blood stains. The dogs never failed.
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00.02.25 Eddie is now at the doors leading to the stairwell where both JAR/6 and the “builders’ bones” were found. Note that he is reacting strongly. To corroborate Eddie’s reaction we used the most up to date geological equipment supplied to us by the British Army and the Metropolitan Police (more services obtained through the use of contacts and a hospitality budget!) for which we paid nothing. These surveys confirmed inconsistencies in the sub floor levels.

00.02.39 Eddie is telling us that there is something we need to investigate on the other side of the door and he wants through to indicate this to us.

00.02.58 Eddie is now reacting very strongly and indicating to us that the scent of dead human flesh is in this location. This is where we were to find JAR/6, which the establishment continue to say was only coconut, but cannot explain how Eddie reacted as he did, nor indeed, how the lab at Oxford found Collagen.

Collagen is not found in coconut or wood, it is only present in mammals, which would seem to destroy the claims of the Jersey establishment, aided and abetted by the Jersey Evening Post and Channel Television, that JAR/6 is coconut or wood. Again, it is worthy of recall, that the builders who found the bones at this location thought they were human, and that one of them actually identified a bone as that of a child’s pelvic bone from the internet. Additionally, the police officer who was called to the scene was also dubious of the bones’ origins, as was the female pathologist who attended. She “did not like” the situation and referred the matter to her boss who said the bones where not consistent with being human. However, an Anthropologist later stated that he was incorrect and the measurements he quoted were entirely consistent with the bones being children’s’ pelvic bones as identified by one of the builders. The Anthropologist further stated that the Pathologist was not qualified to make the statement that he had.

00.04.06 Now Eddie has just left the wall adjoining the stair area where he reacted earlier. The drains in the building run from those stairs, under the adjoining wall, and down the room where we are now standing. As the dog is trained to detect the scent of dead human flesh, he is now following the strong scent emanating from the other side of the wall and being carried in the drains under the floor of this room and down the room towards the corridor seen earlier in the video.

https://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/t19319-what-eddie-found-at-haut-de-la-garenne-in-jersey

[G-Unit]

Snip
Not a great deal of these Cadaver dogs work has been reported in the State Media, other than to discredit them, so we asked Mr. Harper to document for us just exactly what is happening in the video below, what does a Cadaver dog do? How significant to the investigation the dog was? What, if anything did he (the dog) find?The results, it has to be said were astounding. Mr. Harper agreed to our request and once again we thank him for his commitment to the truth and justice.

For viewers information "JAR/6" is the fragment of child's skull.

00.00.0 Getting ready. I was reluctant to let the dog inside as I did not feel that it would do much good. In truth, I was a little sceptical – I had not felt a favourable impression from the handler (Martin Grimes) at our initial meeting and I was dubious, although my opinion of his qualities and integrity was to markedly change as events unfolded. I began to realise as I worked closely with him over a period of months that what I originally took as arrogance was simply supreme confidence in the ability of his dogs in the face of jealous, empire protecting rivals who were not as professionally capable. Throughout the investigation, we subjected Martin and his dogs to many ‘verifying’ tests, from burying swabs in sand (which he always found no matter how large an area), to minute blood stains. The dogs never failed.
______________________________________________________________

00.02.25 Eddie is now at the doors leading to the stairwell where both JAR/6 and the “builders’ bones” were found. Note that he is reacting strongly. To corroborate Eddie’s reaction we used the most up to date geological equipment supplied to us by the British Army and the Metropolitan Police (more services obtained through the use of contacts and a hospitality budget!) for which we paid nothing. These surveys confirmed inconsistencies in the sub floor levels.

00.02.39 Eddie is telling us that there is something we need to investigate on the other side of the door and he wants through to indicate this to us.

00.02.58 Eddie is now reacting very strongly and indicating to us that the scent of dead human flesh is in this location. This is where we were to find JAR/6, which the establishment continue to say was only coconut, but cannot explain how Eddie reacted as he did, nor indeed, how the lab at Oxford found Collagen.

Collagen is not found in coconut or wood, it is only present in mammals, which would seem to destroy the claims of the Jersey establishment, aided and abetted by the Jersey Evening Post and Channel Television, that JAR/6 is coconut or wood. Again, it is worthy of recall, that the builders who found the bones at this location thought they were human, and that one of them actually identified a bone as that of a child’s pelvic bone from the internet. Additionally, the police officer who was called to the scene was also dubious of the bones’ origins, as was the female pathologist who attended. She “did not like” the situation and referred the matter to her boss who said the bones where not consistent with being human. However, an Anthropologist later stated that he was incorrect and the measurements he quoted were entirely consistent with the bones being children’s’ pelvic bones as identified by one of the builders. The Anthropologist further stated that the Pathologist was not qualified to make the statement that he had.

00.04.06 Now Eddie has just left the wall adjoining the stair area where he reacted earlier. The drains in the building run from those stairs, under the adjoining wall, and down the room where we are now standing. As the dog is trained to detect the scent of dead human flesh, he is now following the strong scent emanating from the other side of the wall and being carried in the drains under the floor of this room and down the room towards the corridor seen earlier in the video.

https://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/t19319-what-eddie-found-at-haut-de-la-garenne-in-jersey

Yes, Eddie alerted in the area where JAR/6 was found. Was he alerting to JAR/6 itself? That question isn't answered.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Yes, Eddie alerted in the area where JAR/6 was found. Was he alerting to JAR/6 itself? That question isn't answered.

So describe the scenario as you see it please.  Body or bodies buried in cellar under the flooring.  Then at some point for unknown reasons dug up again,  taken away from the Haute de La Garenne site to be disposed of off site and cellar floor relaid.  This is one explanation that is needed in order to make Eddie correct, is it the one you're going with or is there another you can think of?

[G-Unit]

So describe the scenario as you see it please.  Body or bodies buried in cellar under the flooring.  Then at some point for unknown reasons dug up again,  taken away from the Haute de La Garenne site to be disposed of off site and cellar floor relaid.  This is one explanation that is needed in order to make Eddie correct, is it the one you're going with or is there another you can think of?

Due to being told repeatedly that Eddie alerted to coconut, my only interest is if there is evidence proving that statement is factual. So far, there isn't.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Due to being told repeatedly that Eddie alerted to coconut, my only interest is if there is evidence proving that statement is factual. So far, there isn't.

Do you accept the possibility that Eddie alerted to a coconut, or is it completely out of the question in your opinion?  All the evidence there is suggests Eddie alerted falsely as no evidence was collected anywhere he alerted that pointed to the presence of a cadaver, or of one having previously been in situ.  Is it your belief that Eddie was nevertheless correct and it was just all the dumb policemen and scientists who got it wrong?

[Mr Gray]

Due to being told repeatedly that Eddie alerted to coconut, my only interest is if there is evidence proving that statement is factual. So far, there isn't.

Thete is evidence... Its in the BDO report.. But once again you confuse evidence and proof

[Vertigo Swirl]

There is evidence that man walked on the moon but where is the proof?  I want proof, not media reports thanks.