Wandering Off Topic

[Brietta]

Due to being told repeatedly that Eddie alerted to coconut, my only interest is if there is evidence proving that statement is factual. So far, there isn't.

I really do not know why I am bothering to indulge you since you quite obviously are not going to budge from your viewpoint.
What is extraordinary is your belief that a dog which was barking at fresh air in Luz - wasn't barking at a coco nut shell in Haute de la Garenne in Jersey.

Lenny was really convinced though wasn't he ~ the builders certainly knew their stuff 😁


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00.00.45 The first indication that the dog (Eddie) is finding something amiss. His behaviour has changed, and is remarked on by the handler.

He is initially reacting further down from where we were to eventually find the initial fragment, (which ILM and others still incorrectly claim to be definitively identified as coconut) and in the flow of the drainage from the area where it was found.

To clarify, Eddie is trained to trace the scent of dead human flesh.

He will react where this scent is found, not necessarily where it was originally located.
His strongest reaction will normally be where that scent is strongest, which will usually be where the dead flesh has lain longest, but he will sense it in areas where the scent has been carried, for instance, by drains.

00.01.08 Eddie is starting to react strongly now. Although still some yards from the finding of JAR/6, he smells something which has been carried down in the drainage from the original source.

We were later to find that the drain ran down from where we found JAR/6 and where the bones were found by the builders, who suspected that they were also the bones of juveniles. One of them identified a child’s pelvic bone from the internet. These bones were found with children’s’ shoes which were to be later the source of interesting conflicts between the evidence of the pathologists and the staff at the Jersey Museum.

00.01.50 The doors and wall where Eddie is reacting so strongly now lead into the room where the top wall adjoins the stair area where JAR/6 (the infamous initial fragment) was found.

Note the change in the dog’s behaviour, and the strong indication from him that there is something to be investigated here.

It is important to note at this point, that the dog is only telling us that the scent of human death is here. He is not telling us that there has been a murder; he is not telling us that this is the spot where a body has been buried. He is only telling us that the scent of human death is at this spot.

He is saying, “There is something here for you to investigate.”

It is worthy of note, that this is also next to the location where builders found the bones which they thought were human juveniles, and where they were told that if they found bones to let “bygones be bygones.”

00.02.25 Eddie is now at the doors leading to the stairwell where both JAR/6 and the “builders’ bones” were found.

Note that he is reacting strongly.

To corroborate Eddie’s reaction we used the most up to date geological equipment supplied to us by the British Army and the Metropolitan Police (more services obtained through the use of contacts and a hospitality budget!) for which we paid nothing. These surveys confirmed inconsistencies in the sub floor levels.

00.02.39 Eddie is telling us that there is something we need to investigate on the other side of the door and he wants through to indicate this to us.

00.02.58 Eddie is now reacting very strongly and indicating to us that the scent of dead human flesh is in this location. This is where we were to find JAR/6, which the establishment continue to say was only coconut, but cannot explain how Eddie reacted as he did, nor indeed, how the lab at Oxford found Collagen.

Collagen is not found in coconut or wood, it is only present in mammals, which would seem to destroy the claims of the Jersey establishment, aided and abetted by the Jersey Evening Post and Channel Television, that JAR/6 is coconut or wood. Again, it is worthy of recall, that the builders who found the bones at this location thought they were human, and that one of them actually identified a bone as that of a child’s pelvic bone from the internet. Additionally, the police officer who was called to the scene was also dubious of the bones’ origins, as was the female pathologist who attended. She “did not like” the situation and referred the matter to her boss who said the bones where not consistent with being human.

However, an Anthropologist later stated that he was incorrect and the measurements he quoted were entirely consistent with the bones being children’s’ pelvic bones ??as identified by one of the builders??. The Anthropologist further stated that the Pathologist was not qualified to make the statement that he had.

00.04.06 Now Eddie has just left the wall adjoining the stair area where he reacted earlier. The drains in the building run from those stairs, under the adjoining wall, and down the room where we are now standing. As the dog is trained to detect the scent of dead human flesh, he is now following the strong scent emanating from the other side of the wall and being carried in the drains under the floor of this room and down the room towards the corridor seen earlier in the video.

00.04.15 Note the dog’s return to the wall. This was almost the exact spot where JAR/6 was found. It is a few inches from where the builders found the bones which they thought were human and which they were told about, “Let bygones be bygones.” If this dog was a waste of money, then how did he lead us to this exact spot? How did he later, in the ‘live’ presence of Wendy Kinnard (the then Home Affairs Minister) and Graham Power (the then Chief Police Officer), lead us to the bones in the cellars which an Anthropologist in the United Kingdom said were “fleshed and fresh” when burnt and buried?

It cannot be a co-incidence that this dog, trained to detect the scent of dead human flesh, reacted so strongly in an area where we were to find a fragment of substance initially identified by a professional, accomplished, Anthropologist, as a part of a child’s skull, and right beside the spot where builders found bones and children’s shoes which they thought were human bones. No amount of spin by Le Marquand and others can contradict this, and no amount of misinformation from Warcup and Gradwell can conceal this truth.

00.04.41 Eddie still on stairs, right above the location where JAR/6 was found.
He comes down again to the exact spot.

00.05.20 Eddie still reacting strongly at the spot where JAR/6 was found.

This is the live video, filmed on a mobile phone as it happened. The film was made by the Homicide Search Advisor of the National Policing Improvement Agency, on his mobile phone. He was to later say that the way we had carried out the search of HDLG was a “shining example” and should be documented as an example of good practice. Where has this recommendation been lost in the mists?
The reactions of the dog speak for themselves. Eddie is not telling us that murder was committed at HDLG. He is telling us that somewhere in the floor-space of the premises; the scent of human death has been present.

He is telling us that there is something there for us to investigate.

His findings have been corroborated by the finding of the bones and teeth, by the results of the surveys carried out by the most sophisticated of electronic geological equipment, and by the evidence of builders and former residents and victims of abuse in HDLG. This video totally contradicts the spin of Frank Walker, Andrew Lewis and Diane Simon of the Jersey Evening Post, all of whom were taken on a tour of the building and given a demonstration of the ability and capability of Eddie and his companion "Keela" the blood detection dog. All of them were aware of the true situation relating to the dog and the finds. All of them, for their own reasons, chose to ignore the truth and to peddle the myths of those seeking to discredit the victims of the horrific abuse within HDLG. They are now, in my opinion, exposed as craven cowards and not fit to lick those victims’ boots. As for Martin Grimes and the dogs that they have tried to discredit, they are now working full time for one of the best Law Enforcement Agencies in the world in the USA.(END)

[Mr Gray]

I really do not know why I am bothering to indulge you since you quite obviously are not going to budge from your viewpoint.
What is extraordinary is your belief that a dog which was barking at fresh air in Luz - wasn't barking at a coco nut shell in Haute de la Garenne in Jersey.

Lenny was really convinced though wasn't he ~ the builders certainly knew their stuff 😁


Snip
00.00.45 The first indication that the dog (Eddie) is finding something amiss. His behaviour has changed, and is remarked on by the handler.

He is initially reacting further down from where we were to eventually find the initial fragment, (which ILM and others still incorrectly claim to be definitively identified as coconut) and in the flow of the drainage from the area where it was found.

To clarify, Eddie is trained to trace the scent of dead human flesh.

He will react where this scent is found, not necessarily where it was originally located.
His strongest reaction will normally be where that scent is strongest, which will usually be where the dead flesh has lain longest, but he will sense it in areas where the scent has been carried, for instance, by drains.

00.01.08 Eddie is starting to react strongly now. Although still some yards from the finding of JAR/6, he smells something which has been carried down in the drainage from the original source.

We were later to find that the drain ran down from where we found JAR/6 and where the bones were found by the builders, who suspected that they were also the bones of juveniles. One of them identified a child’s pelvic bone from the internet. These bones were found with children’s’ shoes which were to be later the source of interesting conflicts between the evidence of the pathologists and the staff at the Jersey Museum.

00.01.50 The doors and wall where Eddie is reacting so strongly now lead into the room where the top wall adjoins the stair area where JAR/6 (the infamous initial fragment) was found.

Note the change in the dog’s behaviour, and the strong indication from him that there is something to be investigated here.

It is important to note at this point, that the dog is only telling us that the scent of human death is here. He is not telling us that there has been a murder; he is not telling us that this is the spot where a body has been buried. He is only telling us that the scent of human death is at this spot.

He is saying, “There is something here for you to investigate.”

It is worthy of note, that this is also next to the location where builders found the bones which they thought were human juveniles, and where they were told that if they found bones to let “bygones be bygones.”

00.02.25 Eddie is now at the doors leading to the stairwell where both JAR/6 and the “builders’ bones” were found.

Note that he is reacting strongly.

To corroborate Eddie’s reaction we used the most up to date geological equipment supplied to us by the British Army and the Metropolitan Police (more services obtained through the use of contacts and a hospitality budget!) for which we paid nothing. These surveys confirmed inconsistencies in the sub floor levels.

00.02.39 Eddie is telling us that there is something we need to investigate on the other side of the door and he wants through to indicate this to us.

00.02.58 Eddie is now reacting very strongly and indicating to us that the scent of dead human flesh is in this location. This is where we were to find JAR/6, which the establishment continue to say was only coconut, but cannot explain how Eddie reacted as he did, nor indeed, how the lab at Oxford found Collagen.

Collagen is not found in coconut or wood, it is only present in mammals, which would seem to destroy the claims of the Jersey establishment, aided and abetted by the Jersey Evening Post and Channel Television, that JAR/6 is coconut or wood. Again, it is worthy of recall, that the builders who found the bones at this location thought they were human, and that one of them actually identified a bone as that of a child’s pelvic bone from the internet. Additionally, the police officer who was called to the scene was also dubious of the bones’ origins, as was the female pathologist who attended. She “did not like” the situation and referred the matter to her boss who said the bones where not consistent with being human.

However, an Anthropologist later stated that he was incorrect and the measurements he quoted were entirely consistent with the bones being children’s’ pelvic bones ??as identified by one of the builders??. The Anthropologist further stated that the Pathologist was not qualified to make the statement that he had.

00.04.06 Now Eddie has just left the wall adjoining the stair area where he reacted earlier. The drains in the building run from those stairs, under the adjoining wall, and down the room where we are now standing. As the dog is trained to detect the scent of dead human flesh, he is now following the strong scent emanating from the other side of the wall and being carried in the drains under the floor of this room and down the room towards the corridor seen earlier in the video.

00.04.15 Note the dog’s return to the wall. This was almost the exact spot where JAR/6 was found. It is a few inches from where the builders found the bones which they thought were human and which they were told about, “Let bygones be bygones.” If this dog was a waste of money, then how did he lead us to this exact spot? How did he later, in the ‘live’ presence of Wendy Kinnard (the then Home Affairs Minister) and Graham Power (the then Chief Police Officer), lead us to the bones in the cellars which an Anthropologist in the United Kingdom said were “fleshed and fresh” when burnt and buried?

It cannot be a co-incidence that this dog, trained to detect the scent of dead human flesh, reacted so strongly in an area where we were to find a fragment of substance initially identified by a professional, accomplished, Anthropologist, as a part of a child’s skull, and right beside the spot where builders found bones and children’s shoes which they thought were human bones. No amount of spin by Le Marquand and others can contradict this, and no amount of misinformation from Warcup and Gradwell can conceal this truth.

00.04.41 Eddie still on stairs, right above the location where JAR/6 was found.
He comes down again to the exact spot.

00.05.20 Eddie still reacting strongly at the spot where JAR/6 was found.

This is the live video, filmed on a mobile phone as it happened. The film was made by the Homicide Search Advisor of the National Policing Improvement Agency, on his mobile phone. He was to later say that the way we had carried out the search of HDLG was a “shining example” and should be documented as an example of good practice. Where has this recommendation been lost in the mists?
The reactions of the dog speak for themselves. Eddie is not telling us that murder was committed at HDLG. He is telling us that somewhere in the floor-space of the premises; the scent of human death has been present.

He is telling us that there is something there for us to investigate.

His findings have been corroborated by the finding of the bones and teeth, by the results of the surveys carried out by the most sophisticated of electronic geological equipment, and by the evidence of builders and former residents and victims of abuse in HDLG. This video totally contradicts the spin of Frank Walker, Andrew Lewis and Diane Simon of the Jersey Evening Post, all of whom were taken on a tour of the building and given a demonstration of the ability and capability of Eddie and his companion "Keela" the blood detection dog. All of them were aware of the true situation relating to the dog and the finds. All of them, for their own reasons, chose to ignore the truth and to peddle the myths of those seeking to discredit the victims of the horrific abuse within HDLG. They are now, in my opinion, exposed as craven cowards and not fit to lick those victims’ boots. As for Martin Grimes and the dogs that they have tried to discredit, they are now working full time for one of the best Law Enforcement Agencies in the world in the USA.(END)

According to Grime in his white paper Eddie wpnt teact to teeth... Another Grime contradiction

[G-Unit]

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I really do not know why I am bothering to indulge you since you quite obviously are not going to budge from your viewpoint.
What is extraordinary is your belief that a dog which was barking at fresh air in Luz - wasn't barking at a coco nut shell in Haute de la Garenne in Jersey.

I don't know what Eddie alerted to at Haut de la Garenne, but a lot of people believe it was to a piece of coconut. Why? Because it was found in the area where he alerted. That does not prove it was the coconut which triggered Eddie's alert response.

[Eleanor]

I don't know what Eddie alerted to at Haut de la Garenne, but a lot of people believe it was to a piece of coconut. Why? Because it was found in the area where he alerted. That does not prove it was the coconut which triggered Eddie's alert response.

So what else do you think it was?

[Mr Gray]

I don't know what Eddie alerted to at Haut de la Garenne, but a lot of people believe it was to a piece of coconut. Why? Because it was found in the area where he alerted. That does not prove it was the coconut which triggered Eddie's alert response.

According to the BDO report Eddie alerted a second time to the coconut shell...do you think they made that up...thats pretty strong evidence. Grime did the same with the key fob in luz. I think the alerts in Luz and jersey were total red herrings.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I don't know what Eddie alerted to at Haut de la Garenne, but a lot of people believe it was to a piece of coconut. Why? Because it was found in the area where he alerted. That does not prove it was the coconut which triggered Eddie's alert response.

So you don’t accept the report that Eddie alerted to the coconut shell again separately?  Do you think that was just malicious press reporting to do Eddie and his handler  down?

[Eleanor]

According to the BDO report Eddie alerted a second time to the coconut shell...do you think they made that up...thats pretty strong evidence. Grime did the same with the key fob in luz. I think the alerts in Luz and jersey were total red herrings.

What a total waste of time this all is.

[Mr Gray]

So you don’t accept the report that Eddie alerted to the coconut shell again separately?  Do you think that was just malicious press reporting to do Eddie and his handler  down?

Ive never seen the second alert reported in the press.. Only in the BDO report

[Vertigo Swirl]

Ive never seen the second alert reported in the press.. Only in the BDO report

Oh, according to G-Unit that was written based on tabloid reports, perhaps she is mistaken?

[Mr Gray]

Oh, according to G-Unit that was written based on tabloid reports, perhaps she is mistaken?

She is..

[Eleanor]

She is..

Do you not see that all things become irrelevant by the hand of these people themselves.  They all destroy their own arguments.

I don't know what I am doing anymore beyond deleting your average obscenity.  Which has to be bad before I step in.   But some still try.

I cannot compliment you too largely and you wouldn't want me to anyway.  The very least I have learned is that you are brave man.

Me?  I'm just a wimp.  And I try too hard.

[G-Unit]

She is..

IYO. BDO quoted their sources in respect of some of the things they looked at. For example;

"An LGC scientist records in a statement to the MIR......" (page 45)

From the same page;

"As has now been widely reported, on the morning of 23 February 2008 LGC were excavating the area when they uncovered a fragment of material measuring 6.3cm x 4.4cm that was believed at that time to be human bone. The LGC scientist described it as ‘a fragment of juvenile rather than an adult cranium’ and it was referred to as JAR/6. A short time later Mr Grime’s dog was presented with the item and gave a positive indication for human
remains."

Widely reported? Not the bolded bit.

[Eleanor]

Jesus Christ.  I despair.  How can you be so unkind?  Unless you think that The McCanns killed their daughter.

This is now getting a bit too much for me since there is no evidence to suggest that they did.

Fourteen years of nothing  and still you spew your bile.

[Brietta]

IYO. BDO quoted their sources in respect of some of the things they looked at. For example;

"An LGC scientist records in a statement to the MIR......" (page 45)

From the same page;

"As has now been widely reported, on the morning of 23 February 2008 LGC were excavating the area when they uncovered a fragment of material measuring 6.3cm x 4.4cm that was believed at that time to be human bone. The LGC scientist described it as ‘a fragment of juvenile rather than an adult cranium’ and it was referred to as JAR/6. A short time later Mr Grime’s dog was presented with the item and gave a positive indication for human
remains."

Widely reported? Not the bolded bit.

What was Eddie's job?

Oh I remember ~ it was running around daft and barking his head off when he smelled something he was trained to smell and he did that in spades in Luz just as he did in Haute de la Garenne.

Once Eddie had done that the humans moved in and did their thing - but nobody did nothing till Eddie had barked.

Very much a chicken and egg thing with Eddie doing his thing first despite your denial of his skills.  It really is becoming quite ridiculous now 🤡

[Brietta]

Jesus Christ.  I despair.  How can you be so unkind?  Unless you think that The McCanns killed their daughter.

This is now getting a bit too much for me since there is no evidence to suggest that they did.

Fourteen years of nothing  and still you spew your bile.

I think it is a wind up Eleanor.