Wandering Off Topic

[jassi]

In both the Behan & Menkes rapes the victims were bound & gagged.
In the Behan case the intruder also removed his shoes before entering her room. If an abductor had also done this before entering & leaving 5A through the window it would explain the lack of any footwear evidence on the bed or floor.

You don't think there would be DNA transfer from either sock or bare skin ?

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

In both the Behan & Menkes rapes the victims were bound & gagged.
In the Behan case the intruder also removed his shoes before entering her room. If an abductor had also done this before entering & leaving 5A through the window it would explain the lack of any footwear evidence on the bed or floor.

How long did the binding and gagging take in those cases and where did it take place?

[misty]

You don't think there would be DNA transfer from either sock or bare skin ?

PJ didn't check the bedspread immediately under the window for DNA transfer.

[jassi]

PJ didn't check the bedspread immediately under the window for DNA transfer.

What about the floor - carpet I assume ?

[misty]

How long did the binding and gagging take in those cases and where did it take place?

Restraint took place inside the victims' premises. A grown woman can offer more resistance to her attacker than a 3 year old but I do not have details of the time it took for restraining in each case.

[misty]

What about the floor - carpet I assume ?

The floor throughout 5A was tiled.

[jassi]

Restraint took place inside the victims' premises. A grown woman can offer more resistance to her attacker than a 3 year old but I do not have details of the time it took for restraining in each case.

Neither Tanner nor Smith described a child restrained by binding.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

PJ didn't check the bedspread immediately under the window for DNA transfer.

To be fair to the Portuguese Police it’s unlikely that any investigation would start by immediately checking for DNA transfer. I agree the scene should have been sealed off sooner but again to be fair most cases of missing children don’t involve stranger abduction. I lost a child in a camp site in Wales and the first response wasn’t to establish a crime scene. The child was quickly found locked in a toilet and unable to unlock the door!!

In the McCann case forensic investigation of the window was performed the very next morning as far as I recall. It happened, I recall, whilst the UK TV media were full of stories about a break in and jemmied shutters.

[misty]

Neither Tanner nor Smith described a child restrained by binding.

Jane could only see the lower legs of the child Tannerman was carrying.
I disregard Smith sighting of a child wearing long-sleeved, long-legged clothing.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Jane could only see the lower legs of the child Tannerman was carrying.
I disregard Smith sighting of a child wearing long-sleeved, long-legged clothing.

SY all but disregard the Tanner sighting.

[misty]

To be fair to the Portuguese Police it’s unlikely that any investigation would start by immediately checking for DNA transfer. I agree the scene should have been sealed off sooner but again to be fair most cases of missing children don’t involve stranger abduction. I lost a child in a camp site in Wales and the first response wasn’t to establish a crime scene. The child was quickly found locked in a toilet and unable to unlock the door!!

In the McCann case forensic investigation of the window was performed the very next morning as far as I recall. It happened, I recall, whilst the UK TV media were full of stories about a break in and jemmied shutters.

I agree that it's unfair to cast blame on the Portuguese police for not checking DNA transfer. In a holiday let it would have been an impossible task anyway, notwithstanding the legal restrictions on obtaining DNA samples from people not regarded as suspects. However, just because they couldn't/didn't check doesn't mean the evidence wasn't there. I don't think Ney's DNA was ever found at the scene of crimes he committed but, using Locard's Principle, there must have been traces - places of multiple occupancy must be a gift for criminals.

[misty]

SY all but disregard the Tanner sighting.

They didn't disregard it; the revelation allowed them to move the clock on from that point, not go back to ground zero. I am not using the presumption the abductor was the same man who carried Madeleine away from 5A and was seen by Jane.

[barrier]

Neither Tanner nor Smith described a child restrained by binding.

Only one child fitting a description close to that of Madeleine was seen being carried .

[Myster]

Only one child fitting a description close to that of Madeleine was seen being carried .

Oh, Tannerman, where you gonna run to?

Oh, Tannerman, where you gonna run to?

Oh, Tannerman, where you gonna run to?

All on that night!

[Lace]

In both the Behan & Menkes rapes the victims were bound & gagged.
In the Behan case the intruder also removed his shoes before entering her room. If an abductor had also done this before entering & leaving 5A through the window it would explain the lack of any footwear evidence on the bed or floor.

I mentioned a while back that the abductor could have taken his shoes off.    In the case with the man entering to abuse children in apartments didn't one child say the man had covers on his feet like a surgeon?   This person is very aware of DNA recovery.   I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was CB he was well aware of DNA.