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Offline Mr Gray

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« Reply #10995 on: September 05, 2021, 10:10:50 AM »
Which is why I ask, is he a prosecutor or works for the prosecutors office, seems more the latter.
Imo.. Hes the prosecutor and the spokesman for the prosecution team. As Ive said before that means his statement are not just personal opinion but that of the whole team

Offline barrier

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« Reply #10996 on: September 05, 2021, 10:15:41 AM »
Imo.. Hes the prosecutor and the spokesman for the prosecution team. As Ive said before that means his statement are not just personal opinion but that of the whole team

Given that being the case in your imo, then when Rowley says they never investigated the McCann's because it was dealt with in the initial investigation you see that as a ringing endorsement of the PJ.
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Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

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« Reply #10997 on: September 05, 2021, 10:47:19 AM »

Ah so Gerry left the trousers he was wearing when he carried Madeleine on the bed for all to see.

Hypothetically speaking I'd say it was more likely he changed in a rush and forgot and had to be seen somewhere else rather than leaving them out because he wanted everyone to see them, in my opinion. Their presence suggests he possessed beige trousers and it it possible he either wore them or tried them on at some stage that day.

This is what was said he wore at Tapas Bar:

KM - Gerry was wearing blue denim trousers and trainers (tennis shoes). She doesn't remember what else he was wearing.
GM -  He was wearing tennis shoes (trainers), blue jeans and a light brown polar top.

DP - doesn't say
FP - doesn't say
JT - doesn't say
DW- doesn't say
RO - doesn't say
MO -doesn't say
ROB - doesn't say

Jez Wilkins - doesn't say

So no-one noticed or was asked about what he was wearing (apart from K&G). Which means hypothetically speaking he may not have changed his trousers until whatever point it was that they were left on the bed, in my opinion.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #10998 on: September 05, 2021, 10:58:07 AM »
Hypothetically speaking I'd say it was more likely he changed in a rush and forgot and had to be seen somewhere else rather than leaving them out because he wanted everyone to see them, in my opinion. Their presence suggests he possessed beige trousers and it it possible he either wore them or tried them on at some stage that day.

This is what was said he wore at Tapas Bar:

KM - Gerry was wearing blue denim trousers and trainers (tennis shoes). She doesn't remember what else he was wearing.
GM -  He was wearing tennis shoes (trainers), blue jeans and a light brown polar top.

DP - doesn't say
FP - doesn't say
JT - doesn't say
DW- doesn't say
RO - doesn't say
MO -doesn't say
ROB - doesn't say

Jez Wilkins - doesn't say

So no-one noticed or was asked about what he was wearing (apart from K&G). Which means hypothetically speaking he may not have changed his trousers until whatever point it was that they were left on the bed, in my opinion.
Why would he say he was wearing blue jeans if he wasn't wearing blue jeans?  Loads of witnesses to say otherwise if he hadn't been.  So, let's assume he WAS wearing blue jeans that night, seems very risky to claim you were wearing something completely diffferent with so many potential witnesses saying otherwise.  Right.  When do you think he hypotethically changed into beige trousers and why?  And then why do you think he changed trousers again that night and then left them on the bed?  Any plausible logical reasons gratefully received.  Also, let's add that to the long list of improbable ducks we need to line up for it to be Gerry wot dunnit.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

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« Reply #10999 on: September 05, 2021, 11:41:39 AM »
Why would he say he was wearing blue jeans if he wasn't wearing blue jeans?  Loads of witnesses to say otherwise if he hadn't been.  So, let's assume he WAS wearing blue jeans that night, seems very risky to claim you were wearing something completely diffferent with so many potential witnesses saying otherwise.  Right.  When do you think he hypotethically changed into beige trousers and why?  And then why do you think he changed trousers again that night and then left them on the bed?  Any plausible logical reasons gratefully received.  Also, let's add that to the long list of improbable ducks we need to line up for it to be Gerry wot dunnit.

There's too many variables to offer ONE hypothesis. But it looks like he tried on or thought about wearing beige trousers that day, in my opinion. If indeed that is what is on the bed. (source: photo 17 - PJ Files)


Offline kizzy

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« Reply #11000 on: September 05, 2021, 11:46:51 AM »
Imo.. Hes the prosecutor and the spokesman for the prosecution team. As Ive said before that means his statement are not just personal opinion but that of the whole team

Just the same as PJ team and G.A then -  till the uk got involved

Offline Eleanor

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« Reply #11001 on: September 05, 2021, 11:53:22 AM »
There's too many variables to offer ONE hypothesis. But it looks like he tried on or thought about wearing beige trousers that day, in my opinion. If indeed that is what is on the bed. (source: photo 17 - PJ Files)

That is the most ridiculous opinion I have ever heard.

Offline Lace

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« Reply #11002 on: September 05, 2021, 11:57:36 AM »
Hypothetically speaking I'd say it was more likely he changed in a rush and forgot and had to be seen somewhere else rather than leaving them out because he wanted everyone to see them, in my opinion. Their presence suggests he possessed beige trousers and it it possible he either wore them or tried them on at some stage that day.

This is what was said he wore at Tapas Bar:

KM - Gerry was wearing blue denim trousers and trainers (tennis shoes). She doesn't remember what else he was wearing.
GM -  He was wearing tennis shoes (trainers), blue jeans and a light brown polar top.

DP - doesn't say
FP - doesn't say
JT - doesn't say
DW- doesn't say
RO - doesn't say
MO -doesn't say
ROB - doesn't say

Jez Wilkins - doesn't say

So no-one noticed or was asked about what he was wearing (apart from K&G). Which means hypothetically speaking he may not have changed his trousers until whatever point it was that they were left on the bed, in my opinion.

So,  changed his trousers but not the top that Madeleine would have been resting against?

Offline Wonderfulspam

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« Reply #11003 on: September 05, 2021, 11:57:49 AM »
Yes it does.  So many improbable ducks need to be lined up in a row for you theory to work.  Strangulation may be silent, but  was it premeditated in your view?  Were the children quietly sitting there colouring in when Kate decided to murder Madeleine?  How many murderers or their accomplices decide to hide a body by carrying it uncovered through the streets only minutes after kicking up an almighty stink about the victim going missing?  And how very fortuitous that the guy hiding the body picked one that no one checked before it was swiftly emptied before the search parties were out.   Yes, individually all these aspects are possible but when you string them together with all the other highly unlikely factors necessary to twist Kate and Gerry into the culprits, not so much.    Occam’s Razor.  Your theory is quite the opposite.  All IMO.

What difference does it make if the strangulation was premeditated? None is the answer.

It's likely people have carried dead bodies before or how else would you move one?
Even if you used a car you'd still need to carry the body to the car.

I don't know what the twins were doing when Maddie could have been murdered.

Corrie McKeague was a grown man when he went in the bin & no one ever found him.

Nothing you have said disproves this possibility & no investigative force has proven abduction.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

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« Reply #11004 on: September 05, 2021, 12:02:34 PM »
Hypothetically speaking I'd say it was more likely he changed in a rush and forgot and had to be seen somewhere else rather than leaving them out because he wanted everyone to see them, in my opinion. Their presence suggests he possessed beige trousers and it it possible he either wore them or tried them on at some stage that day.

This is what was said he wore at Tapas Bar:

KM - Gerry was wearing blue denim trousers and trainers (tennis shoes). She doesn't remember what else he was wearing.
GM -  He was wearing tennis shoes (trainers), blue jeans and a light brown polar top.


DP - doesn't say
FP - doesn't say
JT - doesn't say
DW- doesn't say
RO - doesn't say
MO -doesn't say
ROB - doesn't say

Jez Wilkins - doesn't say

So no-one noticed or was asked about what he was wearing (apart from K&G). Which means hypothetically speaking he may not have changed his trousers until whatever point it was that they were left on the bed, in my opinion.

But where does Kate's description of the clothes they wore come from?
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #11005 on: September 05, 2021, 12:11:13 PM »
What difference does it make if the strangulation was premeditated? None is the answer.

It's likely people have carried dead bodies before or how else would you move one?
Even if you used a car you'd still need to carry the body to the car.

I don't know what the twins were doing when Maddie could have been murdered.

Corrie McKeague was a grown man when he went in the bin & no one ever found him.

Nothing you have said disproves this possibility & no investigative force has proven abduction.
I asked whether or not you thought the murder was pre-meditated or not because if so I could envisage it taking place with the minimum fuss, however if it was as a result of Kate flipping out and flying into a murderous rage I would imagine there would be at least some accompanying noise, eg the screaming of the child that triggered the rage, or some shouting beforehand, or some upset from the twins witnessing a horrible incident.  But no, bat-eared Pamela Fenn must either have had her hearing aid switched off during the murder or the rage was all silent and unwitnessed by the twins, and Gerry's reaction on discovering his little girl had been murdered by his wife was also very subdued.   No sobbing, no crying, no arguing, no panicking.  How very civilised! 

Nothing I have said disproves anything, but IMO it does shine a light on how improbable the scenario is.  Kate, enraged, silently murders her child.  Her husband is cool enough with this occurrence to hatch a plan with her which involves staging an abduction.  The plan includes leaving the apartment unlocked, allowing friends to perform checks on the kids, raising the alarm during dinner, sending the friends one way while Gerry retrieves the corpse from its hiding place somewhere unspecified then, while everyone is in a blind panic looking for a missing child, carries the corpse through town (after having changed his trousers of course), is seen by half a dozen people, then conveniently finds a bin in which to dispose of the corpse, a bin which is also conveniently emptied within a few hours, then returns to the apartment with no one having noticed his absence, changes back into his jeans, then submits to the gaze of the world's media within 24 hours of the disposal (knowing that at least half a dozen people saw him carrying a child at the time the alarm was raised), and subsequently spearheads a massive fraud to make a million, whilst all the while striving to keep the public's attention focused on the crime that he himself committed together with his wife.  Yes, all very logical and plausible I'm sure.  Dismiss this all as affle as I'm sure you will, if you went to the cinema to watch a film in which this was the plot you'd sneer at the ridiculousness of it all.  Well I would anyway!
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Wonderfulspam

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« Reply #11006 on: September 05, 2021, 12:17:43 PM »
I asked whether or not you thought the murder was pre-meditated or not because if so I could envisage it taking place with the minimum fuss, however if it was as a result of Kate flipping out and flying into a murderous rage I would imagine there would be at least some accompanying noise, eg the screaming of the child that triggered the rage, or some shouting beforehand, or some upset from the twins witnessing a horrible incident.  But no, bat-eared Pamela Fenn must either have had her hearing aid switched off during the murder or the rage was all silent and unwitnessed by the twins, and Gerry's reaction on discovering his little girl had been murdered by his wife was also very subdued.   No sobbing, no crying, no arguing, no panicking.  How very civilised! 

Nothing I have said disproves anything, but IMO it does shine a light on how improbable the scenario is.  Kate, enraged, silently murders her child.  Her husband is cool enough with this occurrence to hatch a plan with her which involves staging an abduction.  The plan includes leaving the apartment unlocked, allowing friends to perform checks on the kids, raising the alarm during dinner, sending the friends one way while Gerry retrieves the corpse from its hiding place somewhere unspecified then, while everyone is in a blind panic looking for a missing child, carries the corpse through town (after having changed his trousers of course), is seen by half a dozen people, then conveniently finds a bin in which to dispose of the corpse, a bin which is also conveniently emptied within a few hours, then returns to the apartment with no one having noticed his absence, changes back into his jeans, then submits to the gaze of the world's media within 24 hours of the disposal (knowing that at least half a dozen people saw him carrying a child at the time the alarm was raised), and subsequently spearheads a massive fraud to make a million, whilst all the while striving to keep the public's attention focused on the crime that he himself committed together with his wife.  Yes, all very logical and plausible I'm sure.  Dismiss this all as affle as I'm sure you will, if you went to the cinema to watch a film in which this was the plot you'd sneer at the ridiculousness of it all.  Well I would anyway!

(after having changed his trousers of course)

Who say's what clothes he was wearing & when?
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #11007 on: September 05, 2021, 12:21:38 PM »
(after having changed his trousers of course)

Who say's what clothes he was wearing & when?
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #11009 on: September 05, 2021, 12:25:46 PM »
Oh, was Billy there?
ERm, no - what led you to ask such a stupid question?
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