Wandering Off Topic

[Vertigo Swirl]

It is illegal to pay a woman less than a man for the same job.

The gender wage gap is a myth, the disparity exists because men on the whole do more dangerous or demanding & better paid jobs than women who are more likely to be happy to sit on the till at Waitrose & take time off to be with their families, rather than working longer hours driving heavy goods vehicles around the country or keeping the electricity supply running.

Women report more depression, boo hoo, men obviously suffer more since they kill themselves at 3 times the rate.

Women get to sit down when they pee, which is more comfortable than standing imo.

I disagree that medicine or machinery & architecture are geared towards men.

How are the washing machine, ironing board, kitchen or paracetamol sexist?

Nope I'm sorry, when the number of troops killed in military service is equally split between men & women then get back to me.

It obviously wasn’t illegal to pay a woman less than a man in the 90s and 2000s when I was paid significantly less than men with the same job title as me.  And yes, as women are generally  the ones that give birth to and care for the next generstion we’re the ones that have to put our careers on hold or give them up all together, meaning we lose out financially in terms of wages, savings and pensions.  Not everyone who commits suicide does so because of depression and not all depressed people commit suicide. 
You can disagree all you like about medicine, machinery etc being designed around men but it is - read this book https://www.waterstones.com/book/invisible-women/caroline-criado-perez/9781784706289
If men are stupid enough to start and fight wars then they shouldn’t be surprised if more men than women are killed in action.

[G-Unit]

And do you think these men would have preferred to have been women?

I have no idea.

[Wonderfulspam]

Caroline Carido Perez is a wealthy, educated elite, I'm sure she knows all about female suffering.
I won't be reading her man hating book any time soon.
Women have a choice, they don't have to have children & could quite easily achieve the same as men if they put career before reproduction.
Nope, I'm sorry, women could do just as much as men, but they don't want to, they want their own version of equality, which does'nt involve them working in dangerous industry like coal, steel, gas, construction, mechanics or being stuck out at sea trawling for fish.

[Wonderfulspam]

Why aren't there more Bin Women?
Surely this isn't because women don't want to get covered in shit & has deeper roots founded in societal misogyny & the patriarchy within the refuse collection industry.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I have no idea.

I teckon I do, but why don’t you ask them?  I’ve never met a man who would have preferred to be a woman (excluding those with gender dysmorphia).

[Vertigo Swirl]

Caroline Carido Perez is a wealthy, educated elite, I'm sure she knows all about female suffering.
I won't be reading her man hating book any time soon.
Women have a choice, they don't have to have children & could quite easily achieve the same as men if they put career before reproduction.
Nope, I'm sorry, women could do just as much as men, but they don't want to, they want their own version of equality, which does'nt involve them working in dangerous industry like coal, steel, gas, construction, mechanics or being stuck out at sea trawling for fish.

Stay ignorant then, your choice.  If all women chose career over children the human race would be finished in under 100 years.  Instead women make massive sacrifices on a personal, professional and physical level for the sake of MANkind.  A bit more gratitude from men wouldn’t go amiss, but no, instead we get beaten up, raped, abused and murdered.  Thanks guys.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Why aren't there more Bin Women?
Surely this isn't because women don't want to get covered in shit & has deeper roots founded in societal misogyny & the patriarchy within the refuse collection industry.

Women get covered in shit in other jobs - social care and nursing to name but two, and I’m talking literal shit here. Being a bin man requires physical strength, so more suited to physically stronger humans. 

[Wonderfulspam]

Stay ignorant then, your choice.  If all women chose career over children the human race would be finished in under 100 years.  Instead women make massive sacrifices on a personal, professional and physical level for the sake of MANkind.  A bit more gratitude from men wouldn’t go amiss, but no, instead we get beaten up, raped, abused and murdered.  Thanks guys.

Women wouldn't be able to reproduce without men & the planet is massively overpopulated already anyway.

There are plenty of children requiring adoption before a woman chooses to give birth to children of their own.

"The UK has a constant shortage of foster carers and adoptive parents and is failing to meet the needs of thousands of children whose birth families are unable to bring them up."

Yes, it's dreadful that women get abused raped & murdered by men, but in western societies that amount is significantly lower than it is in the third world. Men are murdered by men much more frequently than men murder women.

Men contribute significantly more in income tax every year than women, yet women get to receive the same rate of state pension & benefits as men.

How is that even fair?

[Wonderfulspam]

Women get covered in shit in other jobs - social care and nursing to name but two, and I’m talking literal shit here. Being a bin man requires physical strength, so more suited to physically stronger humans.

Yes, there's a difference between the sexes, so the push for equality is unrealistic & if anything harmful to women, because we simply aren't the same.

Seriously, until I see women dying in the workplace at the same rate as men I think the women folk should pipe down a bit, be happy with their lot, and carry a rape alarm.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Women wouldn't be able to reproduce without men & the planet is massively overpopulated already anyway.

There are plenty of children requiring adoption before a woman chooses to give birth to children of their own.

"The UK has a constant shortage of foster carers and adoptive parents and is failing to meet the needs of thousands of children whose birth families are unable to bring them up."

Yes, it's dreadful that women get abused raped & murdered by men, but in western societies that amount is significantly lower than it is in the third world. Men are murdered by men much more frequently than men murder women.

Men contribute significantly more in income tax every year than women, yet women get to receive the same rate of state pension & benefits as men.

How is that even fair?

Because men earn a lot more over their lifetimes and women do years of unpaid labour such as housekeeping and child-rearing, that’s how it’s even fair.  I’m glad you reminded us that this argument is very western centric and that globally there are millions of women suffering on a daily basis thanks to patriarchal opression and attitudes.  So yes, men still rule the world, and just because they kill more men than women it’s not really a valid reason for women not to highlight the issues of rape, domestic abuse and murder we face at the hands of men worldwide. 

[Vertigo Swirl]

Yes, there's a difference between the sexes, so the push for equality is unrealistic & if anything harmful to women, because we simply aren't the same.

Seriously, until I see women dying in the workplace at the same rate as men I think the women folk should pipe down a bit, be happy with their lot, and carry a rape alarm.

Likewise, until I see a lot more men being raped and murdered by women I think they should pipe down and stop being such misogynistic dickheads.

[G-Unit]

Stay ignorant then, your choice.  If all women chose career over children the human race would be finished in under 100 years.  Instead women make massive sacrifices on a personal, professional and physical level for the sake of MANkind.  A bit more gratitude from men wouldn’t go amiss, but no, instead we get beaten up, raped, abused and murdered.  Thanks guys.

You make it sound simple, but it's not. I don't feel like I made massive sacrifices for MANkind by having children and staying home to raise them for the first five years of their lives. I saw myself as an equal partner, not a victim. I didn't find it boring to be at home with my babies I felt privileged to care for those I loved. There are many honourable men who respect women and wouldn't dream of treating them badly. My husband was my rock and my best friend and I was his. We had our ups and downs, but we were a team. I enjoy men's company more than women's too. I think on the whole they are more straightforward, funnier, less bitchy and less self-obsessed.

[Vertigo Swirl]

You make it sound simple, but it's not. I don't feel like I made massive sacrifices for MANkind by having children and staying home to raise them for the first five years of their lives. I saw myself as an equal partner, not a victim. I didn't find it boring to be at home with my babies I felt privileged to care for those I loved. There are many honourable men who respect women and wouldn't dream of treating them badly. My husband was my rock and my best friend and I was his. We had our ups and downs, but we were a team. I enjoy men's company more than women's too. I think on the whole they are more straightforward, funnier, less bitchy and less self-obsessed.

That’s YOUR experience, it doesn’t mean ALL women share your experience.  MY experience is different.  IMO Western women DO make personal sacrifices to raise children and keep house, especially highly educated professional women who put their careers on hold, or are forced to take a cut in hours or job share for a variety of reasons, who support their husbands by uprooting their own lives to move where their jobs take them etc.  I like men too, prefer their company too even, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t a massive problem in this country with domestic violence against women, and as we have seen this year women are still not completely safe from attack by random male strangers who seem to think that they are there simply to be used, discarded and destroyed.  Men do not have to worry about this, and whilst some men are also victims of domestic violence it’s nothing like the scale of domestic violence against women.

[Wonderfulspam]

That’s YOUR experience, it doesn’t mean ALL women share your experience.  MY experience is different.  IMO Western women DO make personal sacrifices to raise children and keep house, especially highly educated professional women who put their careers on hold, or are forced to take a cut in hours or job share for a variety of reasons, who support their husbands by uprooting their own lives to move where their jobs take them etc.  I like men too, prefer their company too even, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t a massive problem in this country with domestic violence against women, and as we have seen this year women are still not completely safe from attack by random male strangers who seem to think that they are there simply to be used, discarded and destroyed.  Men do not have to worry about this, and whilst some men are also victims of domestic violence it’s nothing like the scale of domestic violence against women.

The number of men murdered by strangers every year is considerably higher than that of women.

Plus the majority of domestic violence against women isn't being carried out by wealthy educated oxford grads.

Funnily enough it's poor women who are abused the most & are the ones irresponsibly plopping out the most kids (even though they can't actually afford them), partly because they are uneducated & because they often make very bad decisions when selecting partners imo.

[Wonderfulspam]

Because men earn a lot more over their lifetimes and women do years of unpaid labour such as housekeeping and child-rearing, that’s how it’s even fair.  I’m glad you reminded us that this argument is very western centric and that globally there are millions of women suffering on a daily basis thanks to patriarchal opression and attitudes.  So yes, men still rule the world, and just because they kill more men than women it’s not really a valid reason for women not to highlight the issues of rape, domestic abuse and murder we face at the hands of men worldwide.

Go protest for womens rights in Afghanistan & you might realise how lucky you are to live in such decent country.