Wandering Off Topic

[jassi]

The number of men murdered by strangers every year is considerably higher than that of women.

Plus the majority of domestic violence against women isn't being carried out by wealthy educated oxford grads.

Funnily enough it's poor women who are abused the most & are the ones irresponsibly plopping out the most kids (even though they can't actually afford them), partly because they are uneducated & because they often make very bad decisions when selecting partners imo.

Hah, I don't think that's restricted to  poor or poorly educated people.

[Wonderfulspam]

In 2018.

2 women were killed on their first contact with a sexually motivated killer.

So the chances of being raped & murdered by a complete stranger in 2018 were only 1 in about 17 million.

The odds of matching 5 numbers plus the bonus ball & pocketing a million pounds were actually better than that at 1 in 7.5 million.


102 femicides (68%) took place in the woman’s house – which may (35%) or may not (33%) have been shared with the perpetrator

(Women in the UK are safer walking the streets than in their own home.)

52% of perpetrators had previous histories of violence against the victim or other women.

3 men had previously killed a woman.

So either these women had no idea their chosen partner had a history of violence against women or they did know but decided they loved the man so much for some reason that they were willing to be knocked about & stay & risk getting murdered.

I remember an amusing quote from The Royle Family, where the old grandmother was talking about a female friend of hers, how she married a joiner, "he knocked her about a bit but they had a lovely house".
.............

Domestic violence is wrong, I'm not disputing that, but so is choosing violent partners & staying with them when they abuse you.

[Wonderfulspam]

Maybe I have a different view because my mother & father worked hard, didn't abuse each other at all & stayed together until death. 

Perhaps as a result of my reasonably decent upbringing I'm not a total asshole to women & can't understand the choices some people make in partners.

[G-Unit]

That’s YOUR experience, it doesn’t mean ALL women share your experience.  MY experience is different.  IMO Western women DO make personal sacrifices to raise children and keep house, especially highly educated professional women who put their careers on hold, or are forced to take a cut in hours or job share for a variety of reasons, who support their husbands by uprooting their own lives to move where their jobs take them etc.  I like men too, prefer their company too even, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t a massive problem in this country with domestic violence against women, and as we have seen this year women are still not completely safe from attack by random male strangers who seem to think that they are there simply to be used, discarded and destroyed.  Men do not have to worry about this, and whilst some men are also victims of domestic violence it’s nothing like the scale of domestic violence against women.

You can't use your personal experiences to judge all men. There are some women (and men) I might want to punch if I had to live with them. Domestic violence isn't always about a weak woman cowering in fear from a violent man. Sometimes it's about a man being hounded and criticised until he loses control. It's not all about one sex preying on another, it's much more complicated.

[Wonderfulspam]

You can't use your personal experiences to judge all men. There are some women (and men) I might want to punch if I had to live with them. Domestic violence isn't always about a weak woman cowering in fear from a violent man. Sometimes it's about a man being hounded and criticised until he loses control. It's not all about one sex preying on another, it's much more complicated.

But the issue is simplified into men are abusing women, without any insight into the social & economic factors involved.

We live in the age of irresponsibility, where pointing out that some women are making poor choices is 'victim blaming'.  It isn't imo, it's common sense.

If I came to your house for tea & you gave me a black eye I would report you to the police, seek to get an injunction & we would not be meeting for tea again.

In some cases undoubtedly women who are assaulted, threatened by the men in their lives are not then going on to make sensible decisions in the aftermath.

Men need to be educated not to harm women, but equally some women need to be educated in not accepting harm from men.

[jassi]

But the issue is simplified into men are abusing women, without any insight into the social & economic factors involved.

We live in the age of irresponsibility, where pointing out that some women are making poor choices is 'victim blaming'.  It isn't imo, it's common sense.

If I came to your house for tea & you gave me a black eye I would report you to the police, seek to get an injunction & we would not be meeting for tea again.

In some cases undoubtedly women who are assaulted, threatened by the men in their lives are not then going on to make sensible decisions in the aftermath.

Men need to be educated not to harm women, but equally some women need to be educated in not accepting harm from men.

I think it goes further than that.
Men are often violent towards other men as well - think road rage and stabbings.
For a certain type of man violence is second nature and I attribute this largely  to poor education and poor role models in the home.

[Wonderfulspam]

I think it goes further than that.
Men are often violent towards other men as well - think road rage and stabbings.
For a certain type of man violence is second nature and I attribute this largely  to poor education and poor role models in the home.

The degradation of society.
Violence is glorified in the likes of rap music, degrading women into 'bitches & ho's', yet this type of disgusting misogyny is available to stream any time on i tunes.

[G-Unit]

I think it goes further than that.
Men are often violent towards other men as well - think road rage and stabbings.
For a certain type of man violence is second nature and I attribute this largely  to poor education and poor role models in the home.

It's a huge subject and men aren't going to respond if women blame them for everything. I'm just grateful that they're making better vacuum cleaners now that men find themselves having to use them lol.

[Myster]

It's a huge subject and men aren't going to respond if women blame them for everything. I'm just grateful that they're making better vacuum cleaners now that men find themselves having to use them lol.

Too true!!!... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtooNbOtxGk&t=1224s

[Wonderfulspam]

Damien Bendall, the man accused of murdering the woman & 3 children in Killamarsh apparently has 2 previous convictions for robbery & an attempted armed robbery as well as a history of drug use.

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/13619465.jail-for-knife-wielding-robber-who-fled-after-brave-shopkeeper-produced-club/

[Vertigo Swirl]

In 2018.

2 women were killed on their first contact with a sexually motivated killer.

So the chances of being raped & murdered by a complete stranger in 2018 were only 1 in about 17 million.

The odds of matching 5 numbers plus the bonus ball & pocketing a million pounds were actually better than that at 1 in 7.5 million.


102 femicides (68%) took place in the woman’s house – which may (35%) or may not (33%) have been shared with the perpetrator

(Women in the UK are safer walking the streets than in their own home.)

52% of perpetrators had previous histories of violence against the victim or other women.

3 men had previously killed a woman.

So either these women had no idea their chosen partner had a history of violence against women or they did know but decided they loved the man so much for some reason that they were willing to be knocked about & stay & risk getting murdered.

I remember an amusing quote from The Royle Family, where the old grandmother was talking about a female friend of hers, how she married a joiner, "he knocked her about a bit but they had a lovely house".
.............

Domestic violence is wrong, I'm not disputing that, but so is choosing violent partners & staying with them when they abuse you.

Leaving an abusive partner can actually make things even worse for the woman.  And - women don’t choose violent partners IMO.

[Wonderfulspam]

Leaving an abusive partner can actually make things even worse for the woman.  And - women don’t choose violent partners IMO.

Well that's obviously nonsense.

No woman in history has ever got with an ex-offender?

[Vertigo Swirl]

You can't use your personal experiences to judge all men. There are some women (and men) I might want to punch if I had to live with them. Domestic violence isn't always about a weak woman cowering in fear from a violent man. Sometimes it's about a man being hounded and criticised until he loses control. It's not all about one sex preying on another, it's much more complicated.

I have not used my personal experience to judge all men, I was giving you my opinion of my experience just as you shared your opinion of yours.  There is no excuse for violence no matter what the provocation, especially when the attacker is physically more powerful than the victim.  It seems you don’t agree.   

[Vertigo Swirl]

The degradation of society.
Violence is glorified in the likes of rap music, degrading women into 'bitches & ho's', yet this type of disgusting misogyny is available to stream any time on i tunes.

I absolutely agree with this, it horrifies me. 

[Wonderfulspam]

I absolutely agree with this, it horrifies me.

Well that's great, one of those rare occasions we've managed to agree on something.