Wandering Off Topic

[barrier]

Are SY really one of the best police forces in the world?

According to whom?

Well different inquiries have them has institutionally racist and institutionally corrupt, does that count.

[Wonderfulspam]

Well different inquiries have them has institutionally racist and institutionally corrupt, does that count.

I'd like to see the data comparisons with other police forces from around the world.

Perhaps an SY enthusiast could supply a link to the official police force world rankings & statistics.

[Brietta]

They have been consistently lauded as the 'professionals' but people need to face the facts; professionals can get it wrong as The Met seem to do regularly.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12126.msg661751#msg661751

I don't think there is precedent for the Met giving up on the search for a missing three year old before it had even started with a senior investigating officer writing a book confirming that fact and accusing her parents, friends and governments of involvement in her death and the subsequent cover up. 

Can't think of many instances of such a display of lack of professionalism in an institution and few of such an avaricious money grubbing disgraceful display from an individual.

Can you?

For starters I give you this one ~
Aussie hacked to death, cops say suicide
1:00pm Oct 24, 2010
An Australian woman's death in Portugal was ruled a suicide despite forensic evidence showing she suffered repeated blows from an axe, according to reports.
Former model and fashion executive Jacinta Rees was found dead at her cottage in the Algarve, in southern Portugal, in April 2008.
A coronial examination into the Melbourne woman's death found she died of axe wounds and had marks on her arms and legs indicating she had tried to defend herself, the Daily Telegraph reports.
But despite the evidence her family says the death was ruled a suicide in the European nation and the Australian government has failed to contest the decision.
"Jacinta's skull had been caved in with an axe. She clearly had defensive wounds also," Jacinta's sister-in-law Louise told News Ltd.
"She suffered a horrendous death and she most certainly fought for her life.
"The GNR (Portugese national police) determined this was a suicide and our embassy concurred."
Jacinta's brother, Cameron, said that consular officials had abandoned the family after they botched their initial dealings with the Portuguese.
"All we want is to know the truth about what happened to her. She was our sister and our parents' child — she deserves better than this," Cameron said.
Jacinta was found dead in the courtyard of her home at Sao Bras de Alportel, near the city of Faro.
Local police initially said her death was an accident, and then said it was suicide, despite an autopsy indicating it was a murder, according to News Ltd.
A separate Victorian Coroners' report referred the case to the Victorian Police Department's homicide squad.
"This injury pattern with trauma to both head and the left arm raises serious concerns. Further investigations are being undertaken via the Victorian Police Department's homicide squad," read.
The Portuguese police have closed their investigation.
https://www.9news.com.au/world/aussie-hacked-to-death-cops-say-suicide/c2faea72-7cf3-4b5f-9b7c-a11cb1cb7244

[The General]

Well different inquiries have them has institutionally racist and institutionally corrupt, does that count.

Not only 'different inquiries', there's entire catalogues on dedicated websites documenting all of that and much, much more. A simple Google search will send you to dozens upon dozens of cases stretching back to when Bobby Peel himself was presiding over the embryonic Met Police, right up to yesterday afternoon.

[The General]

I'd like to see the data comparisons with other police forces from around the world.

Perhaps an SY enthusiast could supply a link to the official police force world rankings & statistics.

It's not quite that simple. There are very few parameters / KPI's that can be used as apples for apples - too many variables, such as resources, demographics, hierarchical structure, funding, political regime, judicial process, etc.
Canada may be comparable, if everyone is in agreement - so perhaps Ottawa could be used as a relative comparison.
I think you'll find a similar story, just on a sliding scale.

[Wonderfulspam]

From what I've seen lately our police forces have become political organisations.

Taking the knee for BLM, painting their cars in the intersectionalist rainbow pride flags & getting their advice from Stonewall.

They don't seem very effective at stemming the flow of stabbed black kids though.

[barrier]

From what I've seen lately our police forces have become political organisations.

Taking the knee for BLM, painting their cars in the intersectionalist rainbow pride flags & getting their advice from Stonewall.

They don't seem very effective at stemming the flow of stabbed black kids though.

2021 was a record year for that .

[Wonderfulspam]

2021 was a record year for that .

It's the racists in this country targeting the minorities.

That's who's committing all the knife crime in our cities.

Definitely not majority BAME offenders these days.

I wonder why Crimewatch got taken off air?  Really can't imagine.

[G-Unit]

From what I have read they are regarded as one of the best police forces in the world... What proper evidence di you have of how they rate... Quoting individual case, s just shiws an ignorance of how evidence is collatecd and what constututes evidence

The best of a bad bunch perhaps...

[Wonderfulspam]

2021 was a record year for that .

Race realism or idealism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqVCBqrQmaw&t=2s

[The General]

The best of a bad bunch perhaps...

Large, antiquated organisations breed the same endemic problems, particularly ones with complex hierarchies and large volumes of long term employees, public or private.
One of which is that real competence is often not a prerequisite for upward progression.

[Mr Gray]

The best of a bad bunch perhaps...

Perhaps running such a large police force.. Solving crime is more difficult than you think

[G-Unit]

Large, antiquated organisations breed the same endemic problems, particularly ones with complex hierarchies and large volumes of long term employees, public or private.
One of which is that real competence is often not a prerequisite for upward progression.

No indeed; time served, office politics or being kicked upstairs can all play a part. My only experience is of the Army, where promotion often goes to those with what was referred to as 'khaki brains', which means total commitment to the aims and rules of the organisation and it's senior officers.

[barrier]

No witness's saying this, no prosecutor saying that, its how it should be done, no names either.


Police make two arrests in one of UK's most baffling missing persons cases: Two men, 45 and 38, are held for kidnap and trafficking over 2007 disappearance of Andrew Gosden, 14, who bought one-way train ticket to London and was never seen again
Andrew Gosden was 14 when he vanished without a trace in September 2007
The schoolboy had skipped school and took a train from Doncaster to London
Last seen on CCTV at King's Cross at around 11.20am same day he disappeared
Two men, 45 and 38, were arrested on suspicion of kidnap and human trafficking
Both have now been released under investigation while enquiries continue
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10390809/Two-men-held-suspicion-kidnap-human-trafficking-disappearance-Andrew-Gosden.html

[Vertigo Swirl]

No witness's saying this, no prosecutor saying that, its how it should be done, no names either.


Police make two arrests in one of UK's most baffling missing persons cases: Two men, 45 and 38, are held for kidnap and trafficking over 2007 disappearance of Andrew Gosden, 14, who bought one-way train ticket to London and was never seen again
Andrew Gosden was 14 when he vanished without a trace in September 2007
The schoolboy had skipped school and took a train from Doncaster to London
Last seen on CCTV at King's Cross at around 11.20am same day he disappeared
Two men, 45 and 38, were arrested on suspicion of kidnap and human trafficking
Both have now been released under investigation while enquiries continue
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10390809/Two-men-held-suspicion-kidnap-human-trafficking-disappearance-Andrew-Gosden.html

If they've been released then there can't be much evidence against them.  I do sincerely hope this leads to a breakthrough in this case - imagine if they find Andrew alive, how wonderful would that be?