Wandering Off Topic

[Vertigo Swirl]

Not often we agree .

Not often I hope we are both wrong!

[barrier]

If you think of Putin as the ultimate suicide bomber it's not difficult to see him issuing the order.  He has also stated before that without Russia there is no point to the rest of the world, and he clearly believes the West wants to destroy Russia.  The only hope we have is that his generals are not of a similar mindset and are prepared to defy him but people like Putin don't keep power for 22+ years without being surrounded by extremely loyal, like-minded support.

Agreed but the trappings of power under threat may galvanise the team against him, keep your enemies close Putin, your friends even closer.

[barrier]

If you think of Putin as the ultimate suicide bomber it's not difficult to see him issuing the order.  He has also stated before that without Russia there is no point to the rest of the world, and he clearly believes the West wants to destroy Russia.  The only hope we have is that his generals are not of a similar mindset and are prepared to defy him but people like Putin don't keep power for 22+ years without being surrounded by extremely loyal, like-minded support.

What of Africa, South America, China, sub Continent, Australia, middle east , China would love a nuke war if doesn't affect them imo, the world without Russia is a daft statement by people with ideas above their station. Sure  nuclear fall out would have an impact which basically is an unknown quantity not knowing how many bombs would be unleased  , but the strongest will survive.

[G-Unit]

Even Putin must realise that the West will annihilate Russia if he uses the nuclear option. No-one will win a nuclear war.

[Brietta]

Only inasmuch as the West should have been a little less naive and trusting that they were dealing with a rational person, IMO.

In those days they weren't.

Stalin was the top dog and I think life was pretty dismal for the Russian people and those in the satellite states for a very long time.

What my father was told betrayed a particular mindset and it is one which I was brought up under.  To my way of thinking Putin is no better and no worse than Biden both being different sides of the same coin.

The Russians had nothing to do with Hiroshima and Nagasaki but I'm sure they have studied the history and have learned from it.  All possibly the wrong lessons from ours and every point of view including theirs - I never really appreciated the film makers' interpretation of a post apocalyptic world and here I am gazing down the barrel towards one.

Sheer and unadulterated insanity being displayed here from all the idiots who hold so many fates in their hands!

[faithlilly]

There used to be nuclear bunkers around the country for the 'important' people to go to, but I don't know if they're still operational.

https://youtu.be/m9K5-09q6f4

[Vertigo Swirl]

Even Putin must realise that the West will annihilate Russia if he uses the nuclear option. No-one will win a nuclear war.

He doesn't seem to care, judging on what he has said in the past.  Hopefully it's just braggadocio but it could also be a sign of mental instability, extreme delusion or whatever it is that drives people to blow themselves up in the name of a cause.

[Brietta]

What of Africa, South America, China, sub Continent, Australia, middle east , China would love a nuke war if doesn't affect them imo, the world without Russia is a daft statement by people with ideas above their station. Sure  nuclear fall out would have an impact which basically is an unknown quantity not knowing how many bombs would be unleased  , but the strongest will survive.

Barrier, anyone unbalanced enough to launch present day nuclear armaments in anger won't do that in isolation.  I think there are many places in the world where materials of destruction can be released which will make the pandemic we are still struggling with look like a walk in the park.

Like the dinosaurs we will have had our time which will be over.  Welcome to the cockroaches ~ I think they are one of the lifeforms which may survive - I don't think I would really want to.

[Vertigo Swirl]

In those days they weren't.

Stalin was the top dog and I think life was pretty dismal for the Russian people and those in the satellite states for a very long time.

What my father was told betrayed a particular mindset and it is one which I was brought up under.  To my way of thinking Putin is no better and no worse than Biden both being different sides of the same coin.

The Russians had nothing to do with Hiroshima and Nagasaki but I'm sure they have studied the history and have learned from it.  All possibly the wrong lessons from ours and every point of view including theirs - I never really appreciated the film makers' interpretation of a post apocalyptic world and here I am gazing down the barrel towards one.

Sheer and unadulterated insanity being displayed here from all the idiots who hold so many fates in their hands!

I honestly don't think you can compare Putin with Biden.  Biden has not threatened to nuke us all for starters, nor has he ordered the invasion of a sovereign state.  A more apt comparison might be George W Bush, aided and abetted by Tony Blair though....

[Vertigo Swirl]

Barrier, anyone unbalanced enough to launch present day nuclear armaments in anger won't do that in isolation.  I think there are many places in the world where materials of destruction can be released which will make the pandemic we are still struggling with look like a walk in the park.

Like the dinosaurs we will have had our time which will be over.  Welcome to the cockroaches ~ I think they are one of the lifeforms which may survive - I don't think I would really want to.

Haha, funnily enough while having my shower this morning I imagined a cartoon showing two cockroaches in the foreground with a nuclear bomb explosion in the distance, one cockroach saying to the other "time to prepare for government". 

[faithlilly]

In those days they weren't.

Stalin was the top dog and I think life was pretty dismal for the Russian people and those in the satellite states for a very long time.

What my father was told betrayed a particular mindset and it is one which I was brought up under.  To my way of thinking Putin is no better and no worse than Biden both being different sides of the same coin.

The Russians had nothing to do with Hiroshima and Nagasaki but I'm sure they have studied the history and have learned from it.  All possibly the wrong lessons from ours and every point of view including theirs - I never really appreciated the film makers' interpretation of a post apocalyptic world and here I am gazing down the barrel towards one.

Sheer and unadulterated insanity being displayed here from all the idiots who hold so many fates in their hands!

Let’s hope the threat of annihilation steels the courage of those around Putin and they neutralise him if the time comes.

[Brietta]

I honestly don't think you can compare Putin with Biden.  Biden has not threatened to nuke us all for starters, nor has he ordered the invasion of a sovereign state.  A more apt comparison might be George W Bush, aided and abetted by Tony Blair though....

While checking through the West's agitation to suppress the voice of RT from the airwaves I discovered that Tony Blair was instrumental in deterring Bush from bombing the offices of Aljazeera - I've closed the link, but it is on record.

So I don't think that Blair was always the bad guy.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I always firmly believed that nuclear weapons would once again be deployed in some hostile situation, I just truly hoped it would not be in my or my children's lifetimes.  I still hope (I know having hope is sneered at by some on here but what else do I have?)

[Brietta]

Let’s hope the threat of annihilation steels the courage of those around Putin and they neutralise him if the time comes.

I don't necessarily agree with that sentiment - bearing in mind that 'it takes two to tango'.

[Vertigo Swirl]

While checking through the West's agitation to suppress the voice of RT from the airwaves I discovered that Tony Blair was instrumental in deterring Bush from bombing the offices of Aljazeera - I've closed the link, but it is on record.

So I don't think that Blair was always the bad guy.

I think in striving to do what he thought was the right thing, he did a very wrong thing.  The death and misery inflicted on innocent Iraqis was no different to that which is presently being inflicted on the Ukranians, and the reasons for it similar, driven by IMO paranoia and muscle-flexing and a desire to lash out and punish.