Wandering Off Topic

[barrier]

The magnificent racist MET are still up to their tricks, other news outlets are available. Good job Madeleine is white they'd never be looking otherwise.

A black child was subjected by police to a strip search at her London school that involved exposure of intimate body parts, according to an official investigation which found racism was likely to have been an “influencing factor” in the officers’ actions.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/mar/15/black-girl-racism-police-strip-search-london-school-hackney?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

[Mr Gray]

The magnificent racist MET are still up to their tricks, other news outlets are available. Good job Madeleine is white they'd never be looking otherwise.

A black child was subjected by police to a strip search at her London school that involved exposure of intimate body parts, according to an official investigation which found racism was likely to have been an “influencing factor” in the officers’ actions.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/mar/15/black-girl-racism-police-strip-search-london-school-hackney?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Be good to hear the police side to this story

[G-Unit]

Be good to hear the police side to this story

The Metropolitan police on Tuesday said they apologised for what a senior officer described as the child’s “truly regrettable” treatment, which has been the subject of a separate Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) investigation, whose report is nearing completion.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/mar/15/black-girl-racism-police-strip-search-london-school-hackney?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

[Mr Gray]

The Metropolitan police on Tuesday said they apologised for what a senior officer described as the child’s “truly regrettable” treatment, which has been the subject of a separate Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) investigation, whose report is nearing completion.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/mar/15/black-girl-racism-police-strip-search-london-school-hackney?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

My point was I would like to hear the other side of the story...your reply doesnt address my post. do you understand we ahve only heard the families side......I prefer to here all the evidence before jumping to conclusions....I think thats quite sensible

[faithlilly]

My point was I would like to hear the other side of the story...your reply doesnt address my post. do you understand we ahve only heard the families side......I prefer to here all the evidence before jumping to conclusions....I think thats quite sensible

Do you believe that there is any way the strip searching of a 14 year old on her monthly cycle can ever be justified, especially a strip search where no appropriate adult or solicitor is present? There is no dispute that the incident took place as reported.

[sadie]

My point was I would like to hear the other side of the story...your reply doesnt address my post. do you understand we ahve only heard the families side......I prefer to here all the evidence before jumping to conclusions....I think thats quite sensible

Well said, Davel.   
Me too, I like to hear all sides of the story before jumping to conclusions

ETA:    Having now read Faiths post, maybe we have now heard all sides of the story.   But I would like confirmation that the report is bona fide and not slanted.  We are all so used now to disinformation that I have become suspicious of everything.  Sad

From what I have read in Faiths post, I don't like the sound of it.   But I would want to know details of all the whys and wherefores before I came to any conclusion,

[Brietta]

Well said, Davel.   
Me too, I like to hear all sides of the story before jumping to conclusions

ETA:    Having now read Faiths post, maybe we have now heard all sides of the story.   But I would like confirmation that the report is bona fide and not slanted.  We are all so used now to disinformation that I have become suspicious of everything.  Sad

From what I have read in Faiths post, I don't like the sound of it.   But I would want to know details of all the whys and wherefores before I came to any conclusion,

I am totally confused from start to finish by the report on this incident in the Guardian.

" ... the search had been conducted after her bag and outer clothing had already been searched by staff at the school prior to police arrival."

Was that lawful in the first instance?

[Vertigo Swirl]

There’s no denying the fact that the Met has some serious underlying issues concerning a culture of misogyny and racism.  Crime clear-up rates are at an all time low and the whole service needs a massive overhaul, better recruiting and more higher calibre (wo)manpower.  That’s not to say that for the most part the police don’t also do a great (if thankless) job with the dwindling resources they have, and clearly the only reason we are discussing this here is to undermine their dedicated efforts in trying to solve the McCann case.  For instance I doubt Barrier would be quick to bring us examples of PJ failings, of which there must I’m sure also be numerous examples.  PC Plod strip searching a 14 year old ethnic minority school girl on her period does not mean that Met detectives are incapable of carrying out a competent criminal investigation no matter how determined some are to suggest that it does.

[G-Unit]

I am totally confused from start to finish by the report on this incident in the Guardian.

" ... the search had been conducted after her bag and outer clothing had already been searched by staff at the school prior to police arrival."

Was that lawful in the first instance?

Yes;

"Headteachers and staff authorised by them have a statutory power to search
pupils or their possessions, without consent, where they have reasonable grounds
for suspecting that the pupil may have a prohibited item."
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/674416/Searching_screening_and_confiscation.pdf

[Mr Gray]

Do you believe that there is any way the strip searching of a 14 year old on her monthly cycle can ever be justified, especially a strip search where no appropriate adult or solicitor is present? There is no dispute that the incident took place as reported.

I believe in the rule of law. I think its important to hear both sides of an incident before making any judgement.
From the link provided by gunit the search was lawful..

Having said that the alleged incident is so far away from what is considered acceptable I feel there must be more to the story than we are being told

[G-Unit]

I believe in the rule of law. I think its important to hear both sides of an incident before making any judgement.
From the link provided by gunit the search was lawful..

Having said that the alleged incident is so far away from what is considered acceptable I feel there must be more to the story than we are being told

The teachers acted lawfully, the police didn't;

Children aged 17 and under need to have an appropriate adult present if they are to be strip-searched, except in urgent cases where there is risk of harm or if a juvenile has specifically stated that they don’t want an appropriate adult there. However, this decision must be recorded and signed by an appropriate adult.
https://www.theweek.co.uk/news/crime/956109/the-law-on-police-strip-searches

[Mr Gray]

The teachers acted lawfully, the police didn't;

Children aged 17 and under need to have an appropriate adult present if they are to be strip-searched, except in urgent cases where there is risk of harm or if a juvenile has specifically stated that they don’t want an appropriate adult there. However, this decision must be recorded and signed by an appropriate adult.
https://www.theweek.co.uk/news/crime/956109/the-law-on-police-strip-searches

We still don't know the full details
.. Is that so difficult for some to understand

[Mr Gray]

The teachers acted lawfully, the police didn't;

Children aged 17 and under need to have an appropriate adult present if they are to be strip-searched, except in urgent cases where there is risk of harm or if a juvenile has specifically stated that they don’t want an appropriate adult there. However, this decision must be recorded and signed by an appropriate adult.
https://www.theweek.co.uk/news/crime/956109/the-law-on-police-strip-searches

Is the article quoting guidelines or laws.. Under the law teachers can act in loco parentis

[G-Unit]

Is the article quoting guidelines or laws.. Under the law teachers can act in loco parentis

It seems no appropriate adult was present, just two female police officers.

[Mr Gray]

It seems no appropriate adult was present, just two female police officers.

I think it's sensible to hear the background. If the report is totally accurate the officers should be suspended immediately... And sacked after an investigation