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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #11730 on: April 02, 2022, 02:08:02 PM »
I'd like to know how desperate people are supposed to just tell themselves to stop stressing and be happy instead.  Perhaps G-Unit can share her secrets and I will pass them on to those I know who are facing an otherwise bleak future.

Tell them to sell their unnecessary shit, like TV's, Sky subscriptions & iPads, stop living with luxuries, eat pasta & be thankful you weren't born in Somalia, oh & stop shitting out kids.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #11731 on: April 02, 2022, 02:14:44 PM »
It's going to be hard. Expectations and self-entitlement have developed over decades and won't just suddenly disappear . The rich will still expect their rents and dividends to be paid - at the expense of the poor - and middle earners will clamour for pay rises to pay for their current lifestyle.
Apart from the poor, the ones that will suffer the most are those who provide services that are not really needed and can be easily ditched  - the Nail Bars, dog walkers, even restaurants.

My guilty pleasure is sometimes a McDonalds double sausage breakfast muffin meal.

I'd get one for me & one for the Mrs.   Bloody £15 !

I can get 15 eggs for a quid & eat breakfast for a week.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #11732 on: April 02, 2022, 02:46:52 PM »
What if your standard of living is below the poverty line already?  How would you advise people to find happiness on a sink estate with not enough money to heat their home or buy food for their kids?  You sound more Tory than Norman Tebbit tbh.

I don't have all the answers you know. Every person has to deal with their own situation as best they can. All I'm saying is that those who are 'suffering' because they can't afford foreign holidays or restaurant meals need to get a grip. As for those on low incomes already, then they will have to choose between spending less, earning more or going under. That could be the harsh truth.
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Offline jassi

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #11733 on: April 02, 2022, 02:55:51 PM »
I think the underlying issue is affordable housing.
The Landlord class must have their return irrespective of hardship for others.
Personally I would like to see all rented property in the hands of Councils/Housing Associations where rents could be controlled.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #11734 on: April 02, 2022, 03:05:30 PM »
I don't have all the answers you know. Every person has to deal with their own situation as best they can. All I'm saying is that those who are 'suffering' because they can't afford foreign holidays or restaurant meals need to get a grip. As for those on low incomes already, then they will have to choose between spending less, earning more or going under. That could be the harsh truth.
The only person here talking about people suffering because they can't afford foreign holidays or restaurant meals is you.  I am not referring to those people so why are you? As for the rest of your post - well you display the usual lack of empathy I've come to expect from you.  "f..k 'em" seems to be your basic attitude to those on low income or living on or below the poverty line, very similar to those on the right of the Tory party IMO.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #11735 on: April 02, 2022, 03:15:00 PM »
I don't have all the answers you know. Every person has to deal with their own situation as best they can. All I'm saying is that those who are 'suffering' because they can't afford foreign holidays or restaurant meals need to get a grip. As for those on low incomes already, then they will have to choose between spending less, earning more or going under. That could be the harsh truth.

I used a credit card once in around 2005 to pay in part for a car.

Paid it back within weeks, cut the the card up & never got another one.

I wonder how much of the UK credit card debt is spent on 'essentials'.


UK credit card debt soars: a worrying new trend?

People borrowed £1.5bn on credit cards in February, the highest monthly amount since records began

UK consumers borrowed a record amount on credit cards in February, prompting one economist to speculate that the economic recovery “is about to shift down a gear”.

Data published by the Bank of England showed that individuals borrowed a net £1.5bn on credit cards, the highest monthly amount since records began in 1993, noted This Is Money.

The figure was more than three times higher than the average of £400m borrowed in the previous six months, pushing total consumer credit, which includes personal loans and car dealership finance, to £1.9bn net - the highest level in five years.

Meanwhile, the latest fortnightly survey by the Office for National Statistics found that 12% of respondents were using credit cards more than usual to cope with increased prices in the first half of March. The proportion rose to 18% for those aged 30 to 49 and to 21% among renters.

The Financial Times noted that although consumer borrowing is usually considered “a measure of spending growth”, with inflation at a 30-year high and falling consumer confidence, some believe it is a sign of consumers “falling into debt to maintain their standard of living”.

“The big rise in consumer borrowing in February likely reflects households attempting to maintain their consumption at a time when real disposable income is falling sharply, rather than them going on a spending spree,” said Samuel Tombs, chief UK economist at consultancy Pantheon Macroeconomics.

He added that the figures “suggest that the economic recovery is about to shift down a gear”.

Thomas Pugh, UK economist at the accountancy firm RSM UK, agreed, saying the latest figures “suggest that consumers are increasingly borrowing more to protect their lifestyles from the surge in inflation”.

However, said The Guardian, some experts believe the increase in credit card spending, which followed the lifting of restrictions related to the Omicron variant, might show a renewed confidence among consumers before Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

Paul Dales, the chief UK economist at the consultancy Capital Economics, said: “It is more likely that households had the confidence to borrow and spend a bit more and/or were willing to use borrowing/savings to smooth their spending.”

Therefore, predicted Dales, “the economy may have a bit more near-term momentum than we thought”.

Anti-poverty charities remain concerned. Joanna Elson, the chief executive of the Money Advice Trust, the charity that runs National Debtline and Business Debtline, said the figures provide “an indicator of the underlying challenges households face in meeting the growing cost of living”.

Calling on Rishi Sunak to provide more help for under-pressure householders, she added: “Our concern is that more people will be pushed to credit to cover rising bills, which could be storing up problems further down the line when repayments are due.”

https://www.theweek.co.uk/news/business/956264/uk-credit-card-debt-soars-a-worrying-new-trend


I can't afford it, but I'm going to get it anyway, society.
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Offline jassi

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #11736 on: April 02, 2022, 03:16:18 PM »
I read all these horror stories about destitute and wonder why our government allows it.
Labour have their problems but I do think they would do much more for this underclass, even if it was just out of self-interest to get these people to vote for them.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline jassi

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #11737 on: April 02, 2022, 03:22:45 PM »
I used to use a credit card regularly -diesel and the like, paying it off fully each month.
Then I thought, 'what's the point',  it's just something else to keep track of so now I pay for everything by debit card, Paypal or bank transfer.
It doesn't help the situation when Supermarkets accept credit cards
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #11738 on: April 02, 2022, 03:26:21 PM »
I read all these horror stories about destitute and wonder why our government allows it.
Labour have their problems but I do think they would do much more for this underclass, even if it was just out of self-interest to get these people to vote for them.

So you want big government to control our lives & finances more?

What about freedom of choice?

The people should be free to make their own reckless, short sighted lifestyle & financial decisions & suffer the devastating consequences imo.

Let charities, not the tax payer, pick up the pieces. If sympathetic morons want to subsidise western decay & decadence that's entirely up to them, but they're not getting a penny out of me.
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Offline jassi

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #11739 on: April 02, 2022, 03:38:56 PM »
So you want big government to control our lives & finances more?

What about freedom of choice?

The people should be free to make their own reckless, short sighted lifestyle & financial decisions & suffer the devastating consequences imo.

Let charities, not the tax payer, pick up the pieces. If sympathetic morons want to subsidise western decay & decadence that's entirely up to them, but they're not getting a penny out of me.

And where are charities going to get the money? From tax-payers.
And the Tax rebates ?  Taxpayers again.
What will they then spend it on ? Largely on salaries for their Chief Officers
Little left over for the needy.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #11740 on: April 02, 2022, 03:39:12 PM »
I used to use a credit card regularly -diesel and the like, paying it off fully each month.
Then I thought, 'what's the point',  it's just something else to keep track of so now I pay for everything by debit card, Paypal or bank transfer.
It doesn't help the situation when Supermarkets accept credit cards
I haven't used a credit card since the 90s.   My mother, on the other hand, survives thanks to credit cards and "playing the system", getting 0% interest deals and hopping from one card to another, to pay for house repairs and car bills that they couldn't afford to pay in one go.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #11741 on: April 02, 2022, 03:43:24 PM »
Of course the poor end up paying more for their gas and electricity than anyone else in society, which is deeply unfair too.   
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Eleanor

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #11742 on: April 02, 2022, 03:51:08 PM »
Don't move to France.  They have enough to be going on with supporting me.  Mind you, they did have to bump off their Royal Family in the process.

France doesn't seem to do Credit Cards, but Debit Cards are a bit subversive.  I don't watch what I spend quite so well as I used to when dealing with cash, or even cheques.

Thank God for The Food Bank.  They are so bloody nice to everybody.




Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #11743 on: April 02, 2022, 04:09:41 PM »
I haven't used a credit card since the 90s.   My mother, on the other hand, survives thanks to credit cards and "playing the system", getting 0% interest deals and hopping from one card to another, to pay for house repairs and car bills that they couldn't afford to pay in one go.

How many spare bedrooms have they got though?
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #11744 on: April 02, 2022, 04:18:42 PM »
And where are charities going to get the money? From tax-payers.
And the Tax rebates ?  Taxpayers again.
What will they then spend it on ? Largely on salaries for their Chief Officers
Little left over for the needy.

Yep, I'd scrap tax rebates for charities.

The tax payer can choose to pay the charity tax if they want to, or, just let poor people die in the gutter until we rid the earth of the excessive glut of human population that's destroying the eco system & consuming it's natural resources at an unsustainable rate.

I think my final solution would work better than anything Greta Thunberg is whining about.
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