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[Vertigo Swirl]

Page 5
Then 8

Your first quote does not refer specifically to Madeleine's case as an abduction. 
Your second quote I didn't see in the report, it's certainly not on page 8 of the document I was looking at anyway though it may well be on another page.

ETA - found it - it was on Page 7. 

[Vertigo Swirl]

So because this document refers to Madeleine having been abducted (after a thorough police review of all the evidence) does that prove there's been some sinister cover up going on?

[G-Unit]

So because this document refers to Madeleine having been abducted (after a thorough police review of all the evidence) does that prove there's been some sinister cover up going on?

A review by whom?

[Vertigo Swirl]

A review by whom?

The police?

[Brietta]

https://www.mailplus.co.uk/edition/news/courts/169288/cody-ackland-pleads-guilty-to-bobbi-anne-mcleod-murder
https://www.mailplus.co.uk/edition/news/crime/169432/indie-band-guitarist-murdered-teen-girl-he-snatched-at-bus-stop

Bobbi-Anne McCleod was abducted from a bus stop by Cody Ackland. Three days later Ackland led police to her body.

• Ackland was a stranger
• a Guardian report stated he had no history of violence
• he had no history of psychiatric problems as an adult
• the police said they believed that Bobbi-Anne had been abducted
• there was no motive given for the killing
• Ackland will not be tried on the separate charge of kidnap because of his confession of murder

According to sceptic lore that is an abduction and a murder that couldn't have happened.  Unfortunately - it did.

[G-Unit]

The police?

They didn't have access to the PJ files or to any of the evidence gathered by the PI's, so any review carried out at that stage only included evidence gathered by Leicestershire Police.

[G-Unit]

https://www.mailplus.co.uk/edition/news/courts/169288/cody-ackland-pleads-guilty-to-bobbi-anne-mcleod-murder
https://www.mailplus.co.uk/edition/news/crime/169432/indie-band-guitarist-murdered-teen-girl-he-snatched-at-bus-stop

Bobbi-Anne McCleod was abducted from a bus stop by Cody Ackland. Three days later Ackland led police to her body.

• Ackland was a stranger
• a Guardian report stated he had no history of violence
• he had no history of psychiatric problems as an adult
• the police said they believed that Bobbi-Anne had been abducted
• there was no motive given for the killing
• Ackland will not be tried on the separate charge of kidnap because of his confession of murder

According to sceptic lore that is an abduction and a murder that couldn't have happened.  Unfortunately - it did.

So someone without any 'pointers' in his background committed a crime. So box ticking is a waste of time.

[Vertigo Swirl]

They didn't have access to the PJ files or to any of the evidence gathered by the PI's, so any review carried out at that stage only included evidence gathered by Leicestershire Police.

Did that include the Smiths and statements and the dog alerts report?

[Vertigo Swirl]

So someone without any 'pointers' in his background committed a crime. So box ticking is a waste of time.

Crazy logic.

[G-Unit]

Did that include the Smiths and statements and the dog alerts report?

Why?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Why?

Why not?  Did it?

[G-Unit]

Why not?  Did it?

I don't see the relevance. The point is that Leicestershire Police, despite not having access to all the evidence, and despite supposedly working to support the PJ, reached a different conclusion. Perhaps Amaral was right to say that the UK police were only investigating those leads that Madeleine's parents, Gerry and Kate McCann, wanted following up.

In my opinion the UK authorities decided very early on that Madeleine McCann had been abducted by a stranger; long before they had access to all the evidence in the case.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I don't see the relevance. The point is that Leicestershire Police, despite not having access to all the evidence, and despite supposedly working to support the PJ, reached a different conclusion. Perhaps Amaral was right to say that the UK police were only investigating those leads that Madeleine's parents, Gerry and Kate McCann, wanted following up.

In my opinion the UK authorities decided very early on that Madeleine McCann had been abducted by a stranger; long before they had access to all the evidence in the case.

You said that any review conducted by the police at that point would not include all the evidence in the files, so I am asking if the UK  police would not have known about the Smiths and Dogs (really the only info in the files that might point to the McCanns imo) when they produced that report you cited to show their “abduction bias”.   What other evidence in the files points to their involvement?

[Brietta]

I don't see the relevance. The point is that Leicestershire Police, despite not having access to all the evidence, and despite supposedly working to support the PJ, reached a different conclusion. Perhaps Amaral was right to say that the UK police were only investigating those leads that Madeleine's parents, Gerry and Kate McCann, wanted following up.

In my opinion the UK authorities decided very early on that Madeleine McCann had been abducted by a stranger; long before they had access to all the evidence in the case.

Leicestershire police had boots on the ground in Portugal and had first hand information to work from.

Quite obviously any conclusion reached by them was arrived at as a result of following the evidence.  Much as the PJ reached their conclusions many years down the line by following evidence which seems to have been ignored by the PJ in 2007.


A PJ source told the Lusa agency that “the information released today by the Metropolitan Police corresponds to the line of investigation discovered by the PJ team led by Helena Monteiro”.

The same source explained that the judicial “reopening of the investigation” came as a result of the investigation of the suspect by the PJ.

“This line of investigation was made known to the English police and Maddie's parents [Gerry and Kate McCann], at a meeting held in October 2013, at the PJ's premises in Lisbon”, he said.

The source also clarified that “the investigation remains open and the PJ continues the investigation with the reserve and discretion that has characterized it”, adding that “the identification of five situations with the same 'modus operandi' allows admitting as possible that these crimes have been committed by the same author and that this may be related to the disappearance of Madeleine”.


Metropolitan Police Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood said today that British police are investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann by the alleged pedophile who attacked five children in the Algarve.

https://zap.aeiou.pt/pj-descobre-pedofilo-relacionado-com-desaparecimento-de-maddie-22115

[G-Unit]

You said that any review conducted by the police at that point would not include all the evidence in the files, so I am asking if the UK  police would not have known about the Smiths and Dogs (really the only info in the files that might point to the McCanns imo) when they produced that report you cited to show their “abduction bias”.   What other evidence in the files points to their involvement?

I don't think it was anything to do with reviews or with evidence. I think the UK authorities, for whatever reason, decided very early on that the McCanns and their friends were blameless.