Wandering Off Topic

[Vertigo Swirl]

What was proved was Express Group's reluctance to go to court. No doubt their lawyers told them they would lose the case. I expect Isobel Duarte told the McCanns they would win the case in Portugal against Amaral. My conclusion? Lawyers aren't always right.

Neither are juries, judges and armchair internet sleuths.  Who knew?

[Mr Gray]

What was proved was Express Group's reluctance to go to court. No doubt their lawyers told them they would lose the case. I expect Isobel Duarte told the McCanns they would win the case in Portugal against Amaral. My conclusion? Lawyers aren't always right.

Of course lawyers aren't always right but I doubt very much you are right. I would say Duarte gave no guarantee.
Then we have the fact that courts aren't always right. The SC were absolutely wrong to say the POI does not apply to civil cases.. It absolutely does.. Except in one compensatory instance

[Brietta]

What was proved was Express Group's reluctance to go to court. No doubt their lawyers told them they would lose the case. I expect Isobel Duarte told the McCanns they would win the case in Portugal against Amaral. My conclusion? Lawyers aren't always right.

I think you may be floundering just the teeniest wee bit there.  The media in the shape of the Express group admitted the libels they had made.

This is a very well heeled group who had the where-with-all to enable them not to fear the results of a court decision had they - and their lawyers - been convinced that the lies printed were not lies.
I think it is called integrity.

You have ignored the link I posted about that too.  Allow me to remind you first of the apology then of a big consideration regarding that word 'integrity'.


It came after Wednesday's editions of the Daily Express and Daily Star both carried front-page apologies under the headline, "Kate and Gerry McCann: Sorry".

The Express said it accepted that a "number of articles in the newspaper have suggested that the couple caused the death of their missing daughter Madeleine and then covered it up".

It also acknowledged there was "no evidence whatsoever" to support that theory.

The paper added that Mr and Mrs McCann are "completely innocent of any involvement in their daughter's disappearance".


'Trust and credibility'
"I think when people realise that more than 100 stories have been complained about as being grossly defamatory, it will annihilate the Express' readers sense of trust and credibility in their newspaper."  Roy Greenslade
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7303801.stm

[G-Unit]

Neither are juries, judges and armchair internet sleuths.  Who knew?

Nevertheless only a court ruling can declare a case proved. Express Newspapers were never found guilty of libel - they chose to declare themselves guilty.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Nevertheless only a court ruling can declare a case proved. Express Newspapers were never found guilty of libel - they chose to declare themselves guilty.

So what, actually? 

[Brietta]

Nevertheless only a court ruling can declare a case proved. Express Newspapers were never found guilty of libel - they chose to declare themselves guilty.

They chose to declare the truth and to apologise for printing indefensible lies.

At this stage it is pertinent to recall that despite exhaustive investigation at the time when everything was fresh, there was not one shred of evidence which allowed the police to charge the McCanns of any wrong doing.
And that includes the flawed thinking behind the 'arguido' fiasco.  NO EVIDENCE.

Fifteen years down the line and with all the investigative opportunities there have been leading the police to the point in Madeleine's case they are at now I think your posts dredging up past libels are ~ hmmm just a bit extraordinary to say the least.

[Vertigo Swirl]

They chose to declare the truth and to apologise for printing indefensible lies.

At this stage it is pertinent to recall that despite exhaustive investigation at the time when everything was fresh, there was not one shred of evidence which allowed the police to charge the McCanns of any wrong doing.
And that includes the flawed thinking behind the 'arguido' fiasco.  NO EVIDENCE.

Fifteen years down the line and with all the investigative opportunities there have been leading the police to the point in Madeleine's case they are at now I think your posts dredging up past libels are ~ hmmm just a bit extraordinary to say the least.

What else is a poor sceptic to do though?  In the absence of any investigation into the McCanns, or any new evidence of their involvement at all, what is left but to replay past "glories" from the good ol' days of 2007 when the parents' were being smeared and attacked from all quarters?  It's comforting for some to be stuck in that rut, though why I really can't fathom.  The chances of them bouncing out of that rut seem diminishingly small which is a shame for them.

[Eleanor]

Oh God, we aren't still doing this, are we?  What more ancient rubbish will The Sceptics drag up.

It isn't going anywhere.  Talk about a dead dog.

Whoops, Eddie and Keella are now dead, along with Morse.

[Brietta]

What else is a poor sceptic to do though?  In the absence of any investigation into the McCanns, or any new evidence of their involvement at all, what is left but to replay past "glories" from the good ol' days of 2007 when the parents' were being smeared and attacked from all quarters?  It's comforting for some to be stuck in that rut, though why I really can't fathom.  The chances of them bouncing out of that rut seem diminishingly small which is a shame for them.

Logic dictates that the wrong way to 'cover up' a heinous crime is to keep banging the drum to have it fully investigated.

The McCanns worked their fingers to the bone to keep Madeleine's case alive and in the public eye.

They lobbied and they petitioned tirelessly to have proper police investigation of Madeleine's case started and kept running in the face of fierce opposition which tried to cut the ground from under their feet.
WOW!!! the absolute resentment there is to MADELEINE'S FUND - which at one time was the sole source of income to finance the campaigns to have Madeleine's fate discovered.

The McCanns could have retired gracefully and buried themselves in obscurity.  But they wanted to find their little girl so they undertook superhuman feats of endurance to keep Madeleine McCann in the public and police consciousness.

You have to ask - would they have worked on that aim as hard and successfully as they did if they were the criminals portrayed by some.

You also have to ask - why there was and is a coterie of folk who have worked equally as hard against any initiative to have it uncovered what happened to Madeleine or to have her found.  Very strange.

[Brietta]

Oh God, we aren't still doing this, are we?  What more ancient rubbish will The Sceptics drag up.

It isn't going anywhere.  Talk about a dead dog.

Whoops, Eddie and Keella are now dead, along with Morse.

It is beyond belief in my opinion.

I found it preposterous when I discovered this ordure floating around on the internet in 2013 to cries of 'read the files' and 'dogs don't lie'.

All these years later and in the knowledge of how the investigation has developed over that time 'preposterous' isn't the word I would use for it now.

[Mr Gray]

Nevertheless only a court ruling can declare a case proved. Express Newspapers were never found guilty of libel - they chose to declare themselves guilty.

I think that's rubbish and just opinion.
If someone at work steals some money.. I investigate. I accuse them.. They admit it and offer to pay it back. That's proven.. No court involved

[G-Unit]

They chose to declare the truth and to apologise for printing indefensible lies.

At this stage it is pertinent to recall that despite exhaustive investigation at the time when everything was fresh, there was not one shred of evidence which allowed the police to charge the McCanns of any wrong doing.
And that includes the flawed thinking behind the 'arguido' fiasco.  NO EVIDENCE.

Fifteen years down the line and with all the investigative opportunities there have been leading the police to the point in Madeleine's case they are at now I think your posts dredging up past libels are ~ hmmm just a bit extraordinary to say the least.

If you look back you'll find that it was you who dredged up past libels. I simply pointed out that they were alleged libels, which triggered the usual responses.

[Wonderfulspam]

Oh God, we aren't still doing this, are we?  What more ancient rubbish will The Sceptics drag up.

It isn't going anywhere.  Talk about a dead dog.

Whoops, Eddie and Keella are now dead, along with Morse.

I find your lack of sympathy for the dead dogs quite unpleasant. They were here boy, good boy, good boys & girl & they never did you or me any harm.
Let them rest in peace in the great dog walking park in the sky.

[Eleanor]

I find your lack of sympathy for the dead dogs quite unpleasant. They were here boy, good boy, good boys & girl & they never did you or me any harm.
Let them rest in peace in the great dog walking park in the sky.

Dogs die.  Sometimes sooner than we would like them to.  My latest little shite could find a corpse if there was one.  That's the thing you see.  There was No Corpse.  And nor were the means for The McCanns to dispose of such.

The big problem here is that most of you weren't around in the beginning and so you make it up as you go along.

I have no real idea of why you do this other than for some inherent nastiness.

How very sad is that?

[Eleanor]

If you look back you'll find that it was you who dredged up past libels. I simply pointed out that they were alleged libels, which triggered the usual responses.

And if you look back you have no conception of what happened in the beginning because you obviously weren't interested.

Why did you suddenly become involved?