Wandering Off Topic

[Eleanor]

The advantage of being interested 'in the beginning' being?

If you can't see this then I can't help you.  There was so much that you never saw.

But if you want to use your ignorance to blame The McCanns then jolly good show.

It won't ever work of course. 
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[G-Unit]

If you can't see this then I can't help you.  There was so much that you never saw.

But if you want to use your ignorance to blame The McCanns then jolly good show.

It won't ever work of course. 
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What, pray, was there to see that can't still be found on the internet? Apart from the posts by Vee8, that is, which were almost all deleted at one point.

[Ms Para glider]

Strawman. Not even subtle either.
The point being, while we're box ticking, is that criminality is, as a rule, often predictable, with an escalation displayed when unchecked, often labelled 'criminal spin' - 'I can' moves to 'I must'.
There's nothing to suggest CB has escalated to murder. For a man who has apparently abducted and killed a child and, as is being proposed here, he may have killed before, he gets caught quite often having perpetrated other acts, but is somehow also capable of hiding two corpses successfully and has essentially got away with it.
Your boxes are not being ticked.

And what are you basing that assertion on? On what has been leaked to us in the Press?

Like how he has allegedly confessed to a friend that he did it... Or the webchat transcripts where he discussed his fantasies of raping and killing a child... Or the several friends who are convinced he killed Madeleine based purely on their perception of what he was capable of... Or the Prosecutor asserting they are 100% certain he killed her based on the evidence they've found after an intensive 4 year investigation
...

Yeah, apart from all that, nothing to "suggest" CB has escalated to murder.

Ok, there may be a gap in terms of proving it, but claiming there is "nothing" to "suggest" he escalated to murder is inaccurate.

[Vertigo Swirl]

What, pray, was there to see that can't still be found on the internet? Apart from the posts by Vee8, that is, which were almost all deleted at one point.

Much of the absolubollocks spouted about the McCanns on fora like the Mirror and Three Arguidos website has now all mercifully vanished into the ether.  You had to be there to believe it, the sheer hateful madness of it all.

[G-Unit]

Much of the absolubollocks spouted about the McCanns on fora like the Mirror and Three Arguidos website has now all mercifully vanished into the ether.  You had to be there to believe it, the sheer hateful madness of it all.

Why would I be interested in all that? I'm interested in evidence, and not in speculation and arguments now, let alone then.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Why would I be interested in all that? I'm interested in evidence, and not in speculation and arguments now, let alone then.

Can I ask why you mentioned Vee8’s posts then?

[Brietta]

What, pray, was there to see that can't still be found on the internet? Apart from the posts by Vee8, that is, which were almost all deleted at one point.

There is stupidity but there is also malice attached to much of what is posted by internet groupies.  None of which has anything in the slightest to do with a little girl who vanished from her bed in 2007 and the family who really have left "NO STONE UNTURNED" in their efforts to have her returned to them and who have known from the very beginning the statistical chances of that happening.

For those who do not know - V8 was a prolific poster on behalf of Madeleine and her family who was convicted of having pornographic photographs of children on his hard drive.

Why his nom de plume is being mentioned here and at this time does not mystify me in the slightest.  However he has been found out and convicted for his crime and my only complaint about that is that he got of lightly in terms of sentence but not in terms of reputation.

What I will say is that like almost everyone else posting on the internet he was an unknown quantity.  He was not a known career criminal nor had he prior convictions for paedophilia or torture and rape.

Yet there are those who bandy V8's name around in a pejorative and snide fashion while expressing outrage that a convicted paedophile and rapist is the prime suspect in Madeleine McCann's case.

I think there is a little bit of a dichotomy there.

[Brietta]

Much of the absolubollocks spouted about the McCanns on fora like the Mirror and Three Arguidos website has now all mercifully vanished into the ether.  You had to be there to believe it, the sheer hateful madness of it all.

I wasn't around to even be aware of the three arguidos (bit of a misnomer since there were actually four arguidos involved in Madeleine's case) but I did catch a flavour of it from those that were but who had the intelligence to eventually see and realise exactly what it was.
Perhaps the very first English language McCann hate site and the fore runner and model for many.  But it did leave a legacy and residue which has been carried on in all sorts of social media to this day.

The thing is though I think all the bile and hatred is actually pointless.

• the majority of ordinary people are unaware of it
• if they do stumble across it they are so disgusted they avoid it like the plague then and for the future
• it is a side issue fringe pastime for a few like us and we are all a dying breed - making the knitting of many sceptic socks even more important than ever (there's a new word I learned the 'meaning' of in 2014 - 'socks')

[Vertigo Swirl]

I wasn't around to even be aware of the three arguidos (bit of a misnomer since there were actually four arguidos involved in Madeleine's case) but I did catch a flavour of it from those that were but who had the intelligence to eventually see and realise exactly what it was.
Perhaps the very first English language McCann hate site and the fore runner and model for many.  But it did leave a legacy and residue which has been carried on in all sorts of social media to this day.

The thing is though I think all the bile and hatred is actually pointless.

• the majority of ordinary people are unaware of it
• if they do stumble across it they are so disgusted they avoid it like the plague then and for the future
• it is a side issue fringe pastime for a few like us and we are all a dying breed - making the knitting of many sceptic socks even more important than ever (there's a new word I learned the 'meaning' of in 2014 - 'socks')

I first encountered online fury and hatred on the McCann subforum of the Mirror forum.  It was June 2007.  I couldn't believe what I was reading and my first post expressed my incredulity at the viciousness on display.  I'd never posted on any sort of forum until that day so was not au fait with any of the pejorative terms oft bandied about.  The very first reply to my very first post was simply one word: "troll".   I had no idea what that meant but I soon found out I was in a minority on that forum and was about as welcome as a pork pie at a Vegan convention.   The rest is history....

[Vertigo Swirl]

There is stupidity but there is also malice attached to much of what is posted by internet groupies.  None of which has anything in the slightest to do with a little girl who vanished from her bed in 2007 and the family who really have left "NO STONE UNTURNED" in their efforts to have her returned to them and who have known from the very beginning the statistical chances of that happening.

For those who do not know - V8 was a prolific poster on behalf of Madeleine and her family who was convicted of having pornographic photographs of children on his hard drive.

Why his nom de plume is being mentioned here and at this time does not mystify me in the slightest.  However he has been found out and convicted for his crime and my only complaint about that is that he got of lightly in terms of sentence but not in terms of reputation.

What I will say is that like almost everyone else posting on the internet he was an unknown quantity.  He was not a known career criminal nor had he prior convictions for paedophilia or torture and rape.

Yet there are those who bandy V8's name around in a pejorative and snide fashion while expressing outrage that a convicted paedophile and rapist is the prime suspect in Madeleine McCann's case.

I think there is a little bit of a dichotomy there.

The introduction of Vee8's name by G-Unit to the conversation was about as subtle as a brick.  "Your side has the convicted paedophile so don't come the moral high ground with me Sonny Jim", conveniently
forgetting (or pretending to be unaware of) all the crooks, criminals, paedos and murderers that "batted for the other side"...

[G-Unit]

Can I ask why you mentioned Vee8’s posts then?

Just an example of something which is no longer on the internet. Airbrushed out by either him or those who shared his venomous no holds barred attacks on those who didn't share his views about the case.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Just an example of something which is no longer on the internet. Airbrushed out by either him or those who shared his venomous no holds barred attacks on those who didn't share his views about the case.

  yeah right, of course that's why you chose him in particular as an example, you little tinker.

[barrier]

Twitter is still full of the nonsense from both sides.

[G-Unit]

I wasn't around to even be aware of the three arguidos (bit of a misnomer since there were actually four arguidos involved in Madeleine's case) but I did catch a flavour of it from those that were but who had the intelligence to eventually see and realise exactly what it was.
Perhaps the very first English language McCann hate site and the fore runner and model for many.  But it did leave a legacy and residue which has been carried on in all sorts of social media to this day.

The thing is though I think all the bile and hatred is actually pointless.

• the majority of ordinary people are unaware of it
• if they do stumble across it they are so disgusted they avoid it like the plague then and for the future
• it is a side issue fringe pastime for a few like us and we are all a dying breed - making the knitting of many sceptic socks even more important than ever (there's a new word I learned the 'meaning' of in 2014 - 'socks')

I know of at least one forum where bile and hatred is still expressed. It's members refer to another forum as a 'cesspit', and to people who's views are different to theirs as cowards, fools, [ censored word ]s, liars and trolls. They don't realise that such attacks say far more about those launching them than those they target. I look at it ocasionally because it amuses me and to see what crazy things they might be saying about me.

[G-Unit]

  yeah right, of course that's why you chose him in particular as an example, you little tinker.

It's the only example of things disappearing that I actually know about, having watched it happen.